Network visibility

Mel Beckman mel at
Wed Oct 20 17:30:28 UTC 2021


LOL! Yeah, and in 1838 Samuel Morse’s telegraph system used electric impulses to transmit encoded messages over a wire to Speedwell Iron Works in Morristown, New Jersey. Was that the Internet?

Sorry, not buying your supposed argument. People experimenting with TCP/IP doesn’t an Internet make.

“January 1, 1983 is considered the official birthday of the Internet. "


On Oct 20, 2021, at 9:54 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at<mailto:owen at>> wrote:

On Oct 20, 2021, at 08:26 , Mel Beckman <mel at<mailto:mel at>> wrote:


As long as we’re being pedantic, January 1, 1983 is considered the official birthday of the Internet, when TCP/IP first let different kinds of computers on different networks talk to each other.

January 1, 1983 is actually not that… TCP/IP was running in many locations prior to that date.

January 1, 1983 was the day that support for the NCP based internet prior to TCP/IP implementation ended.

Further, NCP had actually allowed different kinds of computers on different networks to talk to each other, as had UUCP.

It’s 2021, hence the Internet is less than, not more than, 40 years old.  Given your mathematical skills, I put no stock in your claim that we still can’t “buy an NMS that just works.” :)

No, not really. The Internet is older than the death of NCP, which is the day you are referring to as the birthday of the internet.



On Oct 20, 2021, at 8:04 AM, Mark Tinka <mark at<mailto:mark at>> wrote:

On 10/20/21 11:55, Nat Fogarty wrote:

Hi there,

I'm interested in what you good folks do in terms of network visibility.

My interests are around Service Provider space - visibility for IPoE, PPPoE, TCP(User Experience).

I use a product called "VoIPmonitor" for all things VoIP - and it is one of my favourite tools.  It is a web gui for sip/rtp/etc.

Is there a similar tool in the Ethernet(L2)/IP(L3) space?

Are operators using tcpdump/wireshark for this - or is there a voipmonitor-esque tool out there?

It's 2021, and more than 40 years of the Internet, we still can't walk into a shop and buy an NMS that just works :-).

Oddly, I was searching for a good system to manage subscriber management on our end (Broadband), and we eventually landed on Splynx.

So not sure if you want to see things on the wire (Layer 1 - 4), or if you are interested in pretty pictures...

At any rate, you may very well need more than one system to monitor your entire network.


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