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<div class="">LOL! Yeah, and in 1838 Samuel Morse’s telegraph system used electric impulses to transmit encoded messages over a wire to Speedwell Iron Works in Morristown, New Jersey. Was<i class=""> that
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<div class="">Sorry, not buying your supposed argument. People experimenting with TCP/IP doesn’t an Internet make.</div>
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<div class="">“January 1, 1983 is considered the official birthday of the Internet. "</div>
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<div class="">On Oct 20, 2021, at 9:54 AM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:
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<div class="">As long as we’re being pedantic, January 1, 1983 is considered the official birthday of the Internet, when TCP/IP first let different kinds of computers on different networks talk to each other. </div>
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January 1, 1983 is actually not that… TCP/IP was running in many locations prior to that date.</div>
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<div class="">January 1, 1983 was the day that support for the NCP based internet prior to TCP/IP implementation ended.</div>
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<div class="">Further, NCP had actually allowed different kinds of computers on different networks to talk to each other, as had UUCP.</div>
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<div class="">It’s 2021, hence the Internet is <i class="">less</i> than, not more than, 40 years old. Given your mathematical skills, I put no stock in your claim that we still can’t “buy an NMS that just works.” :)</div>
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No, not really. The Internet is older than the death of NCP, which is the day you are referring to as the birthday of the internet.</div>
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<div class="">On Oct 20, 2021, at 8:04 AM, Mark Tinka <<a href="mailto:mark@tinka.africa" class="">mark@tinka.africa</a>> wrote:</div>
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I'm interested in what you good folks do in terms of network visibility.<br class="">
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My interests are around Service Provider space - visibility for IPoE, PPPoE, TCP(User Experience).<br class="">
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I use a product called "VoIPmonitor" for all things VoIP - and it is one of my favourite tools. It is a web gui for sip/rtp/etc.<br class="">
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Is there a similar tool in the Ethernet(L2)/IP(L3) space?<br class="">
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Are operators using tcpdump/wireshark for this - or is there a voipmonitor-esque tool out there?<br class="">
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It's 2021, and more than 40 years of the Internet, we still can't walk into a shop and buy an NMS that just works :-).<br class="">
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Oddly, I was searching for a good system to manage subscriber management on our end (Broadband), and we eventually landed on Splynx.<br class="">
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So not sure if you want to see things on the wire (Layer 1 - 4), or if you are interested in pretty pictures...<br class="">
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