New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Mike Hammett nanog at
Fri May 28 13:57:56 UTC 2021

Even among network operators, many people are disconnected from reality. 

Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


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From: "Josh Luthman" <josh at> 
To: "Jim Troutman" <jamesltroutman at> 
Cc: "NANOG" <nanog at> 
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:38:05 AM 
Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 

I'd like to see your data that backs up the statement that the broadband internet definition (of 25x3) lags behind actual user needs by a decade. Here are the TOP 4 residential users last month: 

up down total 
Fixed Wireless 25x4 93.628 3105.440 3199.068 
Fixed wireless 25x4 290.000 2763.089 3053.089 
Fiber 500 63.563 2063.782 2127.345 
Fiber gig 24.752 1562.230 1586.982 

Two wireless customers did MORE than two fiber customers. The wireless are on 25 meg and the fiber are on 500/1000 mbps plans. 

The top wireless subscriber is DOUBLE the download usage of the gig fiber house. The highest upload user was wireless, which happens to be FIVE TIMES the highest usage of the fiber customer. 

Here is an image comparing the top wireless and top fiber customer usage: 

Please let me know what your data looks like, I would love to compare. 

Josh Luthman 
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On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jim Troutman < jamesltroutman at > wrote: 

FCC Definition of “broadband Internet” always lags behind the reality of actual user needs, by about a decade. 

Various sources show that Internet bandwidth consumption increases at about 29% CAGR. 

If you extrapolate from the previous increases and intervals of the FCC's changes, the definition of broadband should be a minimum of 100Mbit/100Mbit in 2021. 

When I hear incumbent providers insisting that 25/3 is still good enough, my answer is: "sure, I can agree with that, if you can do that PER DEVICE in the home." 

They don't like that argument. 

The only reason 25/3 is still the FCC definition is because of lobbying by those that are still limited by twisted pair copper infrastructure. 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 8:40 PM Eric Dugas via NANOG < nanog at > wrote: 


I'm not in the US but in Canada it's been 50/10 since 2016 and we're just "almost" there yet. IMO the target should have been more like 100/30 or even 50 of upload. 

100/100 might be a bit short sighted considering it'll take years to accomplish the necessary last-mile/distribution upgrades in rural areas. 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 8:31 PM Sean Donelan < sean at > wrote: 


What should be the new minimum speed for "broadband" in the U.S.? 

This is the list of past minimum broadband speed definitions by year 

year speed 

1999 200 kbps in both directions (this was chosen as faster than 
dialup/ISDN speeds) 

2000 200 kbps in at least one direction (changed because too many service 
providers had 128 kbps upload) 

2010 4 mbps down / 1 mbps up 

2015 25 Mbps down / 3 Mbps up (wired) 
5 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up (wireless) 

2021 ??? / ??? (some Senators propose 100/100 mbps) 

Not only in major cities, but also rural areas 

Note, the official broadband definition only means service providers can't 
advertise it as "broadband" or qualify for subsidies; not that they must 
deliver better service. 



Jim Troutman, 

jamesltroutman at 

Pronouns: he/him/his 
207-514-5676 (cell) 

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