<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>Even among network operators, many people are disconnected from reality.<br><br><div><span name="x"></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>http://www.ics-il.com<br><br>Midwest-IX<br>http://www.midwest-ix.com<span name="x"></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Josh Luthman" <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com><br><b>To: </b>"Jim Troutman" <jamesltroutman@gmail.com><br><b>Cc: </b>"NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, May 28, 2021 8:38:05 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections<br><br><div dir="ltr">I'd like to see your data that backs up the statement that the broadband internet definition (of 25x3) lags behind actual user needs by a decade. Here are the TOP 4 residential users last month:<div><br></div><div> up down total<br>Fixed Wireless 25x4 93.628 3105.440 3199.068 <br>Fixed wireless 25x4 290.000 2763.089 3053.089 <br>Fiber 500 63.563 2063.782 2127.345 <br>Fiber gig 24.752 1562.230 1586.982</div><div><br></div><div>Two wireless customers did MORE than two fiber customers. The wireless are on 25 meg and the fiber are on 500/1000 mbps plans.</div><div><br></div><div>The top wireless subscriber is DOUBLE the download usage of the gig fiber house. The highest upload user was wireless, which happens to be FIVE TIMES the highest usage of the fiber customer.</div><div><br></div><div>Here is an image comparing the top wireless and top fiber customer usage: <a href="https://postimg.cc/bZwc6PBx" target="_blank">https://postimg.cc/bZwc6PBx</a></div><div><br></div><div>Please let me know what your data looks like, I would love to compare.</div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>Josh Luthman<br>24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340<br>Direct: 937-552-2343<br>1100 Wayne St<br>Suite 1337<br>Troy, OH 45373</div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jim Troutman <<a href="mailto:jamesltroutman@gmail.com" target="_blank">jamesltroutman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span id="gmail-m_-1492292331508609267gmail-docs-internal-guid-6850eecc-7fff-18d8-cecd-76e0fe49ef68" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">FCC Definition of “broadband Internet” always lags behind the reality of actual user needs, by about a decade.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></p><p style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Various sources show that Internet bandwidth consumption increases at about 29% CAGR.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></p><p style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">If you extrapolate from the previous increases and intervals of the FCC's changes, the definition of broadband should be a minimum of 100Mbit/100Mbit in 2021.</span></p><p style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></p><p style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">When I hear incumbent providers insisting that 25/3 is still good enough, my answer is: "sure, I can agree with that, if you can do that PER DEVICE in the home."</span></p><p style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></p><p style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">They don't like that argument. </span></p><p style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></p><p style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The only reason 25/3 is still the FCC definition is because of lobbying by those that are still limited by twisted pair copper infrastructure. </span></p><p style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><br></p></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 8:40 PM Eric Dugas via NANOG <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I'm not in the US but in Canada it's been 50/10 since 2016 and we're just "almost" there yet. IMO the target should have been more like 100/30 or even 50 of upload.<br><br>100/100 might be a bit short sighted considering it'll take years to accomplish the necessary last-mile/distribution upgrades in rural areas.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 8:31 PM Sean Donelan <<a href="mailto:sean@donelan.com" target="_blank">sean@donelan.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
What should be the new minimum speed for "broadband" in the U.S.?<br>
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This is the list of past minimum broadband speed definitions by year<br>
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year speed<br>
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1999 200 kbps in both directions (this was chosen as faster than <br>
dialup/ISDN speeds)<br>
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2000 200 kbps in at least one direction (changed because too many service <br>
providers had 128 kbps upload)<br>
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2010 4 mbps down / 1 mbps up<br>
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2015 25 Mbps down / 3 Mbps up (wired)<br>
5 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up (wireless)<br>
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2021 ??? / ??? (some Senators propose 100/100 mbps)<br>
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Not only in major cities, but also rural areas<br>
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Note, the official broadband definition only means service providers can't <br>
advertise it as "broadband" or qualify for subsidies; not that they must <br>
deliver better service.<br>
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