New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Tue Jun 1 17:34:52 UTC 2021

It can be done, sure. Most consider it wasteful. Spending money on something you don't have any way of experiencing an improvement. 

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Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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Midwest-IX 
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From: "Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe" <lb at 6by7.net> 
To: cdel at firsthand.net 
Cc: "Mike Hammett" <nanog at ics-il.net>, "NANOG Operators' Group" <nanog at nanog.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 12:20:34 PM 
Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 

Exactly <3 

I’m not building today’s network… why would you build todays’ network? It’s obsolete in 24 hours. 

I’m building a network to out-last me… 

Are other people not doing this? The speed test in my signature is a residential connection, it’s real. I can do 7gigs to a laptop now. It’s astonishing. AR environments and heck, video games are already there…. 

How can it be that so many fine minds don’t see this? Does this create more opportunity for me, or just make my job of connecting the world; harder? 

Happy Tuesday all. 

-LB 

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE 
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
ben at 6by7.net 
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the world.” 
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On May 31, 2021, at 4:47 AM, Christian de Larrinaga < cdel at firsthand.net > wrote: 

Nobody needs more than 64k of RAM. 
On Sun 30 May 2021 at 14:28, Mike Hammett < nanog at ics-il.net > wrote: 

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That doesn't really serve any value and 99.9999999999% of people would not pay 
any more than $50 for the ability, so your ability to execute such a system is 
limited. 

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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

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From: "Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe" <lb at 6by7.net> 
To: "Laura Smith" <n5d9xq3ti233xiyif2vp at protonmail.ch> 
Cc: "NANOG Operators' Group" <nanog at nanog.org> 
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 4:43:50 PM 
Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 

I’m right there with you. I can download an entire Mac OS update in 6 minutes. 
It’s astonishing. I’d pay a grand a month for this. I’d pay five. 

-LB 

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE 
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC CEO ben at 6by7.net 
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.” 
ANNOUNCING: 6x7 GLOBAL MARITIME 

FCC License KJ6FJJ 

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On May 29, 2021, at 1:57 AM, Laura Smith via NANOG <nanog at nanog.org> wrote: 

I agree with Dan. 

In Switzerland you can get 10Gb symmetric to the home for 49.95 per month 
(or 39.95 if you have a mobile with the same ISP) . 

As with Dan, average utilisation is measured in Mb. 
But then the ability to go from that to download 10GB of the latest patches 
from Microsoft or Apple, or the ability to upload large files for off-site 
backups or for friends/customers .... I don't know what I'd do without it ! 

And of course, the days of the buffering wheel of death when streaming 4K 
TV is long gone ... I can have multiple people in multiple rooms in my 
house streaming 4K and nobody notices. 

I would never, ever, go back to DSL. Even if they hiked the price 5x, I'd 
still pay it. 

Coming back to the original question on this thread, my answer would be the 
minimum for 2021 should be 1/1. Anything less than that is a bit silly and 
will soon be obsolete. 

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On Saturday, 29 May 2021 04:50, Dan Stralka <mrsyeltzin at gmail.com> wrote: 

But it is reality, it's just not your reality, Mike. Brandon's ISP 
can provide that service. 

So should there be a more granular definition of speeds mandated based 
on population density, last mile tech, etc? 

I was in the camp that you didn't need higher bandwidth than you'd 
normally find - I was happy on my 50/10 plan. Then my ISP upgraded me 
to a 300/50 or thereabouts and it was a night and day difference in 
getting things done. 
Just like your example of average utilization being in the single 
megabits per second, my average utilization is near zero. But when I 
need to move files I can burst to speeds that aren't embarrassing in 
2021. 

Higher bandwidth is both welcome and necessary. It doesn't have to be 
sustained throughout the contract to be required. The only question is 
how feasible it is, and I suspect it's quite feasible for larger 
players. 
Dan 

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On Fri, May 28, 2021, 22:33 Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote: 

That's not based in any kind of reality. 

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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

From: "Brandon Price" <PriceB at SherwoodOregon.gov> 
To: "Sean Donelan" <sean at donelan.com>, "NANOG Operators' Group" 
<nanog at nanog.org> 
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 5:21:53 PM 
Subject: RE: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 

100/100 minimum for sure. 

In our small neck of the woods, we are currently doing 250/250 for 
$45 and 1000/1000 for $60 no data caps. 

We have lost some grants on rural builds because "someone" in the 
census block claims they provide broadband.. Not hard to put an AP 
up on a tower and hit the current definition's upload speed. 

I get a chuckle when the providers tell the customer what they 
"need"... 
Brandon Price 
Senior Network Engineer 
City of Sherwood, Sherwood Broadband 

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Behalf Of Sean Donelan 
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 5:33 PM 
To: NANOG Operators' Group <nanog at nanog.org> 
Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 

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On Thu, 27 May 2021, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE wrote: 

At least 100/100. 

We don’t like selling slower than 10g anymore, that’s what I’d 
start everyone at if I could. 

At $50/month or less? 

Maximize number of households of all demographic groups. 

-- 
Christian de Larrinaga https://firsthand.net 
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