<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>It can be done, sure. Most consider it wasteful. Spending money on something you don't have any way of experiencing an improvement.<br><br><div><span name="x"></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>http://www.ics-il.com<br><br>Midwest-IX<br>http://www.midwest-ix.com<span name="x"></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe" <lb@6by7.net><br><b>To: </b>cdel@firsthand.net<br><b>Cc: </b>"Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>, "NANOG Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, June 1, 2021 12:20:34 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections<br><br>Exactly <3<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m not building today’s network… why would you build todays’ network? It’s obsolete in 24 hours.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m building a network to out-last me…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Are other people not doing this? The speed test in my signature is a residential connection, it’s real. I can do 7gigs to a laptop now. It’s astonishing. AR environments and heck, video games are already there…. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">How can it be that so many fine minds don’t see this? Does this create more opportunity for me, or just make my job of connecting the world; harder?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Happy Tuesday all.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote class=""><div class="">On May 31, 2021, at 4:47 AM, Christian de Larrinaga <<a href="mailto:cdel@firsthand.net" class="" target="_blank">cdel@firsthand.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Nobody needs more than 64k of RAM.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On Sun 30 May 2021 at 14:28, Mike Hammett <</span><a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="" target="_blank">nanog@ics-il.net</a><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">> wrote:</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><blockquote style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">That doesn't really serve any value and 99.9999999999% of people would not pay<br class="">any more than $50 for the ability, so your ability to execute such a system is<br class="">limited.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----<br class="">Mike Hammett<br class="">Intelligent Computing Solutions<br class=""><a href="http://www.ics-il.com" class="" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br class=""><br class="">Midwest-IX<br class="">http://www.midwest-ix.com<br class=""><br class="">━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━<br class="">From: "Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe" <lb@6by7.net><br class="">To: "Laura Smith" <n5d9xq3ti233xiyif2vp@protonmail.ch><br class="">Cc: "NANOG Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org><br class="">Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 4:43:50 PM<br class="">Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections<br class=""><br class="">I’m right there with you. I can download an entire Mac OS update in 6 minutes.<br class="">It’s astonishing. I’d pay a grand a month for this. I’d pay five.<br class=""><br class="">-LB<br class=""><br class="">Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE<br class="">6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC CEO ben@6by7.net<br class="">"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the<br class="">world.”<br class="">ANNOUNCING: 6x7 GLOBAL MARITIME<br class=""><br class="">FCC License KJ6FJJ<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">[cid][cid]<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> On May 29, 2021, at 1:57 AM, Laura Smith via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> I agree with Dan.<br class=""><br class=""> In Switzerland you can get 10Gb symmetric to the home for 49.95 per month<br class=""> (or 39.95 if you have a mobile with the same ISP) .<br class=""><br class=""> As with Dan, average utilisation is measured in Mb.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> But then the ability to go from that to download 10GB of the latest patches<br class=""> from Microsoft or Apple, or the ability to upload large files for off-site<br class=""> backups or for friends/customers .... I don't know what I'd do without it !<br class=""> <br class=""> And of course, the days of the buffering wheel of death when streaming 4K<br class=""> TV is long gone ... I can have multiple people in multiple rooms in my<br class=""> house streaming 4K and nobody notices.<br class=""><br class=""> I would never, ever, go back to DSL. Even if they hiked the price 5x, I'd<br class=""> still pay it.<br class=""><br class=""> Coming back to the original question on this thread, my answer would be the<br class=""> minimum for 2021 should be 1/1. Anything less than that is a bit silly and<br class=""> will soon be obsolete.<br class=""><br class=""> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br class=""> On Saturday, 29 May 2021 04:50, Dan Stralka <mrsyeltzin@gmail.com> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> But it is reality, it's just not your reality, Mike. Brandon's ISP<br class=""> can provide that service.<br class=""><br class=""> So should there be a more granular definition of speeds mandated based<br class=""> on population density, last mile tech, etc?<br class=""><br class=""> I was in the camp that you didn't need higher bandwidth than you'd<br class=""> normally find - I was happy on my 50/10 plan. Then my ISP upgraded me<br class=""> to a 300/50 or thereabouts and it was a night and day difference in<br class=""> getting things done.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> Just like your example of average utilization being in the single<br class=""> megabits per second, my average utilization is near zero. But when I<br class=""> need to move files I can burst to speeds that aren't embarrassing in<br class=""> 2021.<br class=""><br class=""> Higher bandwidth is both welcome and necessary. It doesn't have to be<br class=""> sustained throughout the contract to be required. The only question is<br class=""> how feasible it is, and I suspect it's quite feasible for larger<br class=""> players.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> Dan<br class=""><br class=""> (end)<br class=""><br class=""> On Fri, May 28, 2021, 22:33 Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> That's not based in any kind of reality.<br class=""><br class=""> -----<br class=""> Mike Hammett<br class=""> Intelligent Computing Solutions<br class=""> http://www.ics-il.com<br class=""><br class=""> Midwest-IX<br class=""> http://www.midwest-ix.com<br class=""><br class=""> From: "Brandon Price" <PriceB@SherwoodOregon.gov><br class=""> To: "Sean Donelan" <sean@donelan.com>, "NANOG Operators' Group"<br class=""> <nanog@nanog.org><br class=""> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 5:21:53 PM<br class=""> Subject: RE: New minimum speed for US broadband connections<br class=""><br class=""> 100/100 minimum for sure.<br class=""><br class=""> In our small neck of the woods, we are currently doing 250/250 for<br class=""> $45 and 1000/1000 for $60 no data caps.<br class=""><br class=""> We have lost some grants on rural builds because "someone" in the<br class=""> census block claims they provide broadband.. Not hard to put an AP<br class=""> up on a tower and hit the current definition's upload speed.<br class=""><br class=""> I get a chuckle when the providers tell the customer what they<br class=""> "need"... <br class=""> Brandon Price<br class=""> Senior Network Engineer<br class=""> City of Sherwood, Sherwood Broadband<br class=""><br class=""> -----Original Message-----<br class=""> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+priceb=sherwoodoregon.gov@nanog.org> On<br class=""> Behalf Of Sean Donelan<br class=""> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 5:33 PM<br class=""> To: NANOG Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org><br class=""> Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections<br class=""><br class=""> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do<br class=""> not click links or open attachments unless you are expecting this<br class=""> email and/or know the content is safe.<br class=""><br class=""> On Thu, 27 May 2021, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> At least 100/100.<br class=""><br class=""> We don’t like selling slower than 10g anymore, that’s what I’d<br class=""> start everyone at if I could.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> At $50/month or less?<br class=""><br class=""> Maximize number of households of all demographic groups.<br class=""></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Christian de Larrinaga<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://firsthand.net/" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="" target="_blank">https://firsthand.net</a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div><br></div></body></html>