Viable Third Option?

Wed Feb 17 19:58:43 UTC 2021

Second vote for NTT.

Also, second vote for GTT.

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TTFN,
patrick

> On Feb 17, 2021, at 14:07, David Hubbard <dhubbard at dino.hostasaurus.com> wrote:
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> I’ve been pretty happy with NTT but their POPs can be limited; I’ve had to pick up waves to them, which sometimes still comes out ahead.  I’m slowly dropping Cogent due to the v6 issues.  I haven’t been able to try HE because they and a frequent colo provider I use (Switch) don’t seem to get along.
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> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+dhubbard=dino.hostasaurus.com at nanog.org> on behalf of Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net>
> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 11:52 AM
> To: NANOG list <nanog at nanog.org>
> Subject: Viable Third Option?
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> This is from the perspective of an eyeball network. I understand that content networks would have different objectives and reasons. For instance, I have little to no reason as an eyeball network to exchange traffic with any other eyeball network (aside from P2P games). For a content network, getting into the eyeball networks is their objective.
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> My crystal ball tells me this thread will spiral out of control because people won't be able to keep it on topic, but it is a question that I hear VERY often. I also expect a lot of purely bad or outdated information to get thrown out.
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> Please try to keep it on topic and not being pedantic over relatively unimportant details.
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> There are two major low-cost providers, Cogent and HE.
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> Cogent
> Refuses to peer IPv6 with HE
> Refuses to peer IPv6 with Google
> Aggressive sales tactics
> Hurricane
> Doesn't have Cogent IPv6 because of Cogent's refusal
> Lack of communities for anything other than blackholes
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> I know there are a variety of other providers such as Fusion Network that operate at similar price points, but are available in way fewer locations.
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> What else is out there? Anyone else that isn't 5x, 10x the cost?
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> Cogent and HE get looked down upon (and sometimes deservedly so), but when I talk to someone trying to sell me a port in 350 Cermak for 8x the cost of Cogent and HE, you better have a very good argument for why you're worth it...  and they never do. "We're not Cogent." "and?" Many times I'm quoted transit that costs more than Cogent + IX + HE and they don't really have a good argument for it.
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> As an eyeball, I join an IX and there goes 50% - 85% of my traffic and almost all of my traffic that anyone is going to notice or complain about if there are issues (video streaming).
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> I do understand that enterprise eyeballs may have different requirements.
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> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
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