Viable Third Option?

Joe Hamby johamby at blomand.net
Wed Feb 17 20:38:12 UTC 2021


I second the motion for NTT.

I would never connect to GTT again.....if you want to know 
why.....contact offlist.


joe

On 2/17/2021 1:58 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> Second vote for NTT.
>
> Also, second vote for GTT.
>
> -- 
> TTFN,
> patrick
>
>
>> On Feb 17, 2021, at 14:07, David Hubbard 
>> <dhubbard at dino.hostasaurus.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I’ve been pretty happy with NTT but their POPs can be limited; I’ve 
>> had to pick up waves to them, which sometimes still comes out ahead.  
>> I’m slowly dropping Cogent due to the v6 issues.  I haven’t been able 
>> to try HE because they and a frequent colo provider I use (Switch) 
>> don’t seem to get along.
>>
>> *From: *NANOG <nanog-bounces+dhubbard=dino.hostasaurus.com at nanog.org> 
>> on behalf of Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 11:52 AM
>> *To: *NANOG list <nanog at nanog.org>
>> *Subject: *Viable Third Option?
>>
>> This is from the perspective of an eyeball network. I understand that 
>> content networks would have different objectives and reasons. For 
>> instance, I have little to no reason as an eyeball network to 
>> exchange traffic with any other eyeball network (aside from P2P 
>> games). For a content network, getting into the eyeball networks is 
>> their objective.
>>
>> My crystal ball tells me this thread will spiral out of control 
>> because people won't be able to keep it on topic, but it is a 
>> question that I hear VERY often. I also expect a lot of purely bad or 
>> outdated information to get thrown out.
>>
>> Please try to keep it on topic and not being pedantic over relatively 
>> unimportant details.
>>
>> There are two major low-cost providers, Cogent and HE.
>>
>> Cogent
>>
>>   * Refuses to peer IPv6 with HE
>>   * Refuses to peer IPv6 with Google
>>   * Aggressive sales tactics
>>
>> Hurricane
>>
>>   * Doesn't have Cogent IPv6 because of Cogent's refusal
>>   * Lack of communities for anything other than blackholes
>>
>> I know there are a variety of other providers such as Fusion Network 
>> that operate at similar price points, but are available in way fewer 
>> locations.
>>
>> What else is out there? Anyone else that isn't 5x, 10x the cost?
>>
>> Cogent and HE get looked down upon (and sometimes deservedly so), but 
>> when I talk to someone trying to sell me a port in 350 Cermak for 8x 
>> the cost of Cogent and HE, you better have a very good argument for 
>> why you're worth it...  and they never do. "We're not Cogent." "and?" 
>> Many times I'm quoted transit that costs more than Cogent + IX + HE 
>> and they don't really have a good argument for it.
>>
>> As an eyeball, I join an IX and there goes 50% - 85% of my traffic 
>> and almost all of my traffic that anyone is going to notice or 
>> complain about if there are issues (video streaming).
>>
>> I do understand that enterprise eyeballs may have different requirements.
>>
>>
>>
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