<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Second vote for NTT.<div><br></div><div>Also, second vote for GTT.<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); font-size: 13pt;">-- </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">TTFN,</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">patrick</span></div></div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Feb 17, 2021, at 14:07, David Hubbard <dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">

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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve been pretty happy with NTT but their POPs can be limited; I’ve had to pick up waves to them, which sometimes still comes out ahead.  I’m slowly dropping Cogent due to the v6 issues.  I haven’t been able to try HE because they and a
 frequent colo provider I use (Switch) don’t seem to get along.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">NANOG <nanog-bounces+dhubbard=dino.hostasaurus.com@nanog.org> on behalf of Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 11:52 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Viable Third Option?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">This is from the perspective of an eyeball network. I understand that content networks would have different objectives and reasons. For instance, I have little to
 no reason as an eyeball network to exchange traffic with any other eyeball network (aside from P2P games). For a content network, getting into the eyeball networks is their objective.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">My crystal ball tells me this thread will spiral out of control because people won't be able to keep it on topic, but it is a question that I hear VERY often. I also
 expect a lot of purely bad or outdated information to get thrown out.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Please try to keep it on topic and not being pedantic over relatively unimportant details.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">There are two major low-cost providers, Cogent and HE.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Cogent<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Refuses to peer IPv6 with HE<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Refuses to peer IPv6 with Google<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Aggressive sales tactics<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Hurricane<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Doesn't have Cogent IPv6 because of Cogent's refusal<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Lack of communities for anything other than blackholes<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I know there are a variety of other providers such as Fusion Network that operate at similar price points, but are available in way fewer locations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">What else is out there? Anyone else that isn't 5x, 10x the cost?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Cogent and HE get looked down upon (and sometimes deservedly so), but when I talk to someone trying to sell me a port in 350 Cermak for 8x the cost of Cogent and
 HE, you better have a very good argument for why you're worth it...  and they never do. "We're not Cogent." "and?" Many times I'm quoted transit that costs more than Cogent + IX + HE and they don't really have a good argument for it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">As an eyeball, I join an IX and there goes 50% - 85% of my traffic and almost all of my traffic that anyone is going to notice or complain about if there are issues
 (video streaming).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I do understand that enterprise eyeballs may have different requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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