Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality

Daniel Taylor dtaylor at vocalabs.com
Mon Mar 2 14:59:40 UTC 2015


What do those 25 and 50Mb/s download rates amount to in practice?

Statistically speaking, those might *be* symmetric.

On 03/02/2015 08:41 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
> Daniel,
> For the third or fourth time in this discussion we are tracking and 
> customer satisfaction for users who do have symmetrical bandwidth >24 
> mbps and have for a number of years.
>
> We see customer usage patterns and satisfaction being statically the 
> same on 25/25 and 25/8 accounts.  The same is true when we look at 
> 50/50 versus 50/12 accounts.
>
> On Mar 2, 2015 9:22 AM, "Daniel Taylor" <dtaylor at vocalabs.com 
> <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>> wrote:
>
>     I'm clearly not a normal user, or I wouldn't be here.
>     Normal users have never experienced high-speed symmetrical service.
>
>     People don't miss what they have never had.
>
>     On 03/02/2015 08:09 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
>
>         That's not the norm for consumers, but the important thing to
>         understand is that for most of the technologies we use for
>         broadband there simply is less upstream capacity than
>         downstream.  That upstream scarcity means that for DSL,
>         DOCSIS, PON, WiFi, and LTE delivering symmetrical upstream
>         bandwidth will cost the service provider more which means at
>         some point it will cost consumers more.
>
>         WiFi is a special case, while there is no theoretical reason
>         it must be asymmetrical but it works that way in practice
>         because dedicated APs invariably have both higher transmit
>         power and much better antenna gain.  The average AP in the US
>         will put out a watt or more while clients are putting out ~250
>         milliwatts and with 0 antenna gain.
>
>         On Mar 2, 2015 8:58 AM, "Daniel Taylor" <dtaylor at vocalabs.com
>         <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com> <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com
>         <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>>> wrote:
>
>             Personally?
>             If the price were the same, I'd go with 50/50.
>
>             That way my uploads would take even less time.
>
>             It isn't about the averaged total, it's about how long
>         each event
>             takes, and backing up 4GB of files off-site shouldn't have
>         to take
>             an hour.
>
>             On 02/27/2015 03:11 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
>                 Daniel,
>
>
>                 "50MB/s might be tough to fill, but even at home I can get
>                 good use out of the odd 25MB/s upstream burst for a
>         few minutes."
>
>                 Which would you choose, 50/50 or 75/25?  My point is
>         not that
>                 upstream speed isn't valuable, but merely that demand
>         for it
>                 isn't symmetrical and unless the market changes won't
>         be in
>                 the near term.  Downstream demand is growing, in most
>         markets
>                 I can see, much faster than upstream demand.
>
>
>
>                 Scott Helms
>                 Vice President of Technology
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>
>
>             --     Daniel Taylor          VP Operations Vocal
>             Laboratories, Inc.
>         dtaylor at vocalabs.com <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>
>         <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>>
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>
>
>
>     -- 
>     Daniel Taylor          VP Operations            Vocal
>     Laboratories, Inc.
>     dtaylor at vocalabs.com <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>
>     http://www.vocalabs.com/ (612)235-5711 <tel:%28612%29235-5711>
>


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Daniel Taylor          VP Operations            Vocal Laboratories, Inc.
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