iOS 7 update traffic

Fred Reimer freimer at
Thu Sep 19 19:10:17 UTC 2013

O.K., I understand.  Yes, for the average user I suppose they would blame
their ISP.  I was making the wrong assumption that people understood how
the Internet works.  At the same time, people would probably be more
upset, at least the Apple fanboys, if they metered the updates and some
people had to wait two or three weeks for their update to keep the traffic
manageable.  The only general news stories I see in a quick search are
complaints that the downloads are slow, not that the general Internet is
slow because of the downloadsŠ

From:  Warren Bailey <wbailey at>
Reply-To:  Warren Bailey <wbailey at>
Date:  Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:52 PM
To:  Fred Reimer <freimer at>, Mikael Abrahamsson
<swmike at>, Paul Ferguson <fergdawgster at>
Cc:  NANOG <nanog at>
Subject:  Re: iOS 7 update traffic

>My.. Our..  Users expect one thing..
>It is our job to make that happen. When a electronics manufacturer
>decides to enable updates for all of their phones world wide.. It breaks
>When the Internet breaks, it is my fault. Your Apple update sucked
>because of me.. There is no "it must be apple", as you pointed out
>earlier. I'm simply saying.. It's a dick move to globally enable updates
>on a single day and tell ISP's to deal with it.
>Sent from my Mobile Device.
>-------- Original message --------
>From: Fred Reimer <freimer at>
>Date: 09/19/2013 11:48 AM (GMT-08:00)
>To: Warren Bailey <wbailey at>,Mikael
>Abrahamsson <swmike at>,Paul Ferguson <fergdawgster at>
>Cc: NANOG <nanog at>
>Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
>Why should Apple care if providers have oversubscribed lines or not?  As
>far as I know, Akamai delivers most of the data anyway, so it is not
>coming all from Apple.  I don't know for sure, but I doubt they have
>enough bandwidth themselves to saturate so many links concurrently.  Apple
>also does not push the updates, it is pulled to the device when the users
>tell the device to retrieve it.  So blame your users, not Apple.  It is
>also my understanding that any updates they do push are staged so they all
>don't go out the same time.
>On 9/19/13 2:11 PM, "Warren Bailey"
><wbailey at> wrote:
>>I don't see how operators could tolerate this, honestly. I can't think of
>>a single provider who does not oversubscribe their access platform...
>>Which leads me to this question :
>>Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile device an update on a
>>single day?
>>Never mind the fact that we are we ones on the last mile responsible for
>>getting it to their customers, 1gb per sub is pretty serious.. Why are
>>they not caching at their head ends, dslams, etc?
>>Sent from my Mobile Device.
>>-------- Original message --------
>>From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike at>
>>Date: 09/19/2013 11:08 AM (GMT-08:00)
>>To: Paul Ferguson <fergdawgster at>
>>Cc: NANOG <nanog at>
>>Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
>>On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Paul Ferguson wrote:
>>> Can someone please explain to a non-Apple person what the hell happened
>>> that started generating so much traffic? Perhaps I missed it in this
>>> thread, but I would be curious to know what iOS 7 implemented that
>>> caused this...
>>The IOS7 upgrade is ~750 megabyte download for the phones/pods, and ~950
>>megabytes for ipad. There are quite a few devices out there times these
>>amounts to download...
>>Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike at

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