Small guys with BGP issues

Patrick W. Gilmore patrick at
Mon Nov 2 04:47:25 UTC 2009

> - practice good behaviour (bcp38) and don't preach it

Did you mean preach but don't practice it?  While I appreciate  
everyone who "preaches" it, I am not going to complain in the  
slightest at any "big guy" who practices BCP38.  Just the opposite,  
I'm going to praise them whether they preach it or not.

And this is not the big boy list.  This is for all Operators in North  
America, and many who are not, regardless of size.  (Well, I guess  
we'll exclude the guy who buys are cable/DSL link and "provides" to  
his mother & father with a LinkSys.)


On Nov 1, 2009, at 11:01 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote:

> Seems to me that some people have issues when a thread is taken over.
> capiche...
> However, it also seems to me that there are people here who are
> intelligent engineers who are afraid to speak, due to the size of the
> company they work for.
> On behalf of the 'small guys', it sucks when you big(ger) guys:
> - don't listen to us
> - practice good behaviour (bcp38) and don't preach it
> - speak proudly of decent support, but don't respond to people who
> aren't staffed by a tier(x)
> - act as though you know something, but won't get out of the textbook
> mentality
> - again, this isn't a test for ccie, just because were working in
> smaller *sp's doesn't mean that we know less than you
> - we work hard. We have smaller networks. I bet we defend our border
> egress to you than you defend toward us
> - if all small guys like me are the same, then the 'big boys' should  
> be
> motivated to move forward
> Lets take it off topic and off-thread...
> This is a big-boy list. Out of the small guys on this big boy list,  
> lets
> have a hands-up for who is doing the right thing (v6 & network  
> defence &
> protecting their connected networks )...
> Steve

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