SPAM Level Status - And why not stop the peering with lame ISPs

Alain Hebert ahebert at
Fri Feb 10 03:43:27 UTC 2006

    Should have been clearer, most of the abuse emails I send to ISP's 
operating in the APNIC are ineffective.
    (Well it compares to local tyrant like MaBell or Cable Distributor)

    Maybe they dont put any priority into what a "small ISP in Montreal" 
think because the relation between the APNIC community and ARIN's are 
not as strong.

    Except for the for mention tyrant, ISP's in ARIN are pretty quick in 
fixing the issues.

    For APNIC, we also includes all their peers up-to (if possible) to a 
ARIN one.  But we only do that on extreme case of network flooding.
    (No sense on wasting operator time on spam related incidents)


    I wont comment more on the comments bellow except to say that I dont 
like the undertone.

    A lot of our clients/partners/friends are asian and are from the 
Montreal community.

    ... as for being dumb ... stupidity is a planet wide illness.  (;

Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:

>On 2/10/06, Alain Hebert <ahebert at> wrote:
>>    That new bunch of spam is hard to tag on digest alone...  And I dont
>>believe in regexing the content to see if a url is listed (too many
>>false positive).
>Then you're doing it wrong.
>And you'd discover for yourself that its a dumb move to nullroute or
>depeer with everything you can think of, trying to block spam
>Shouldnt be too hard to find that out even if you run a small local
>ISP in montreal, given the huge number of chinese / vietnamese people
>I saw there (they'd probably all use shaw and bell anyway)
>If you didnt attend the MAAWG mtg in montreal late last year you
>missed out on learning quite a lot of really operational spam
>filtering, none of which included "nullroute whatever you can"
>Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists at

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