Trying to find a connectivity provider that wont go under (was RE: CAIS/Ardent and now Network Access Solutions)

Fri May 31 13:38:14 UTC 2002

We have two POP's and a colo in Detroit.  One in Southfield, one in Troy,
both on the North side of Detroit.

FNSI -> http://www.fnsi.net

If anyone is looking for reliable access from a profitable regional player,
I'll volunteer.  :)

K

                    Paul Timmins                                                                                            
                    <paul at timmins        To:     Brian <bri at sonicboom.org>                                                  
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                    05/30/2002                                                                                              
                    08:00 PM                                                                                                

As far as I know, the following national providers exist in Detroit:
(This is by no means, a complete list, and some of these aren't "Big
Name" providers, but less likely to go under than John Q Random ISP)

Verio
Winstar
XO
AT&T
Qwest
Covad
Level 3
SBC
I've heard rumors of speakeasy.net, which I think resells internap

I'm sure there's a few other national networks, these are just the ones
I have heard of off the top of my head.
-Paul

On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 19:27, Brian wrote:
>
> Surprised there isnt much connectivity in the Detroit area, I mean it is
> Motor City and all, I would think tons of manufacturing palnts all
needing
> telecom of some sort or other..
>
>    Bri
>
> On Thu, 30 May 2002, Deepak Jain wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Clearly anyone in your market is buying from someone outside of your
market.
> > The fees associated with reliability (if available) are a function of
your
> > geography. Large providers are concentrating on the markets that are
making
> > them the most money.
> >
> > If you get a few networks in your area that want to save money on the
cost
> > of reliability you can run a couple of circuits to the next large
market and
> > try to knit together a reliable network and divide the costs that way.
> >
> > My guess is that with more large providers on a profit-centered basis
you
> > won't see the same kind of pricing equality you have been seeing
between
> > Tier 1 and Tier N markets anymore.
> >
> > Deepak Jain
> > AiNET
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu]On Behalf Of
> > John Palmer
> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 5:39 PM
> > To: nanog at nanog.org
> > Subject: RE: Trying to find a connectivity provider that wont go under
> > (was RE: CAIS/Ardent and now Network Access Solutions)
> >
> >
> >
> > Its just that they aren't local and there is no need to pay for
> > a circuit all the way to Chicago. It seems that so many providers
> > have moved out of Macomb county. Anyone have any experience with
> > BigNet? We are talking to them now
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Woodcock [mailto:woody at zocalo.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:42 PM
> > To: John Palmer
> > Cc: nanog at nanog.org
> > Subject: Re: Trying to find a connectivity provider that wont go under
> > (was RE: CAIS/Ardent and now Network Access Solutions)
> >
> >
> >     > Who can one rely on for connectivity? In general and in the
Detroit
> > area?
> >     > I put out a request for bids on T-1's and all the national
providers
> > were
> >     > way too high...
> >
> > Haven't you just answered your own question?  I guess if you think
> > reliable service is too expensive, you're not in the market for
reliable
> > service, no?
> >
> >                                 -Bill
> >
> >
> >
>