David C. Kovar kovar at NDA.COM
Wed Apr 3 01:15:10 UTC 1996

  We have a business plan in place for doing exactly this, and a lot more.
It's pretty simple to do, with the right setup.

  We have no intention of sellings ads on the page, though.


>This is a good point. If there were a list somewhere which collated all 
>of the trouble reports from all of the ISP's then some entrepreneur could 
>set up an Internet traffic report WWW site and make all the mass of 
>trouble reports palatable for end users, including stories about ladies 
>in Lincolns. 
>This entrepreneur could get rich selling ads on their WWW site and 
>everyone would know what is going on.
>> Now, NANOG -- not affiliated with anybody, you say, not even the Internet
>> Society.  OK, I stand corrected.  So, if not ISOC, who are IEPG and NANOG?
>> Do IEPG and NANOG have anything to do with one another?  By the way, is
>> IETF not ISOC too?  See
>Even though I know how all this came about and how groups like NANOG 
>operate (what group!) I still don't believe it when people say that NANOG 
>doesn't set policy and NANOG is not affiliated with anybody. The fact is 
>that NANOG appears to set policy and NANOG appears to be affiliated with 
>somebody and that appearance is what counts until NANOG pipes up and 
>states what their official policy and official affiliations are.
>> Settlements, "wrong on the face?"  Or are you just too busy busy busy
>> defensive to argue?
>Settlements are contrary to NANOG policy. It is also contrary to NANOG 
>policy to engage in long drawn out debates about things which have 
>already been decided, like "settlements are wrong". The policy is 
>unwritten and to a certain extent, non-verbal, but it is policy nevertheless.
>> So, you say, increasing Internet diameters (hops) are only of concern to
>> whiners like me?  There are no whiners LIKE me.  I am THE whiner.  And hops
>> ARE a first class problem, Jerry, or are you clueless about how
>> store-and-forward packet switching actually really works?
>I have had to explain to ISP's how to do email relaying so that their 
>customers can get email back and forth from fringe locations. It's 
>usually an asymmetrical problem so it shows up when a person can receive 
>email but cannot send a reply.
>BTW, the trick is to address it like this at
>Michael Dillon                                    Voice: +1-604-546-8022
>Memra Software Inc.                                 Fax: +1-604-546-3049
>                             E-mail: michael at

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