ATM Utility
Bob Doyle
bdoyle at sprint.net
Wed Nov 2 14:41:33 UTC 1994
Also, please also do not confuse Vadim's individual opinion with the opinion
of Sprint. Sprint also recognizes the cost-benefits of a fast packet service
versus point-to-point circuits. One of the primary reasons we pursued an ATM
strategy in advance of many others was due to the cost-benefits in our
backbone...There are a litany of other reasons which I would be happy to
pontificate...Pushpendra, no criticism intended, but I would probably argue
that our stockholders do not consider the cost of additional network capacity
as "funny-money"....
Bob Doyle
Sprint
> From: Pushpendra Mohta <pushp at CERF.NET>
> Message-Id: <199411020630.WAA05172 at mystic.cerf.net>
> Subject: Re: ATM Utility
> To: boone at prep.net (Jon 'Iain' Boone)
> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:30:14 -0800 (PST)
> Cc: avg at sprint.net, tjs at msc.edu, nanog at merit.edu, nap at hq.si.net
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> from "Jon 'Iain' Boone" at Nov 1, 94 03:53:24 pm
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> Jon 'Iain' Boone writes:
> >
> > On Mon, 31 Oct 1994, Vadim Antonov wrote:
> >
> > > >cost-effective in a number of applications today. In particular,
> > > >the cost of wide-area DS-3 ATM services can be very attractive
> > > >when compared to a number of point-to-point DS-3s.
> > >
> > > TAANSTAFL. You keep forgetting that underneath ATM there are the
> > > same SONET or clearline DS-3s/OC-3s etc. So, just by using IP
> > > routers instead of ATM switches you get 30% more bandwidth for the
> > > same price. ATM does not appear to make economical sense when
> > > applied to both data and voice communications. So, from the point
> > > of view of a user purchasing something carriers offer ATM may make
> > > sense (if carrier does not offer native IP) -- but from the point
> > > of view of a carrier ATM does not look that attractive.
> > >
> > > You still have to run IP over ATM (there's no such thing as native
> > > ATM applications yet), and the extra level of encapsulation does
> > > not bring anything worth 30% of bandwidth.
> > >
> > > In terms of real switching capacity (i.e. user data payload) the
> > > new generation of IP routers is pretty much close to ATM
> > > switches -- and quite cheaper.
> >
> > But, if you don't need the full 45 Mb/s, you can find a more
> > cost-effective solution in the wide-area Fast-packet services. In
> > the case of the MCI Hyperstream offerings, you don't have to pay for
> > the full amount of a circuit from point A to point B -- you simply
> > pay a monthly subscription fee and then a usage charge per Megabyte
> > of data.
> >
> > So, you can build a multi-megabit/s backbone that is (say) 10 Mb/s
> > and not end up having to purchase the entirety of the DS3 circuits
> > needed to provision it.
> >
>
> Indeed.
>
> Vadim works for a phone company, where long haul SONET links are
> funny money. Not like the rest of us :-)
>
> --pushpendra
>
> Pushpendra Mohta pushp at cerf.net +1 619 455 3908
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