ISP data collection from home routers
mu at zuqq.me
Thu Mar 24 14:12:51 UTC 2022
You're statement seems to imply that if someone publicizes certain personal data on Facebook that they shouldn't care about any other data being collected any other entity, do I have that right?
While I agree that many consumers don't place much value on their own data, resulting in them not particularly caring about that data, in my experience it often stems from ignorance of what can be done with that data (if they even know that the data is being collected in the first place). Once the implications of sharing specific data is known, my anecdata has shown that the average person will make some adjustments to their data-sharing habits. At the very least, an informed decision can be made.
However, when it comes to intricate technical data from their home routers being hoarded, we can't really expect the average consumer to form an informed decision on the data being shared, can we? I don't think the default should be "collect as much as we can because they probably won't care" in the absence of an informed consumer.
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On Thursday, March 24th, 2022 at 9:26 AM, Josh Luthman <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> I'm surprised we're having this discussion about an internet device that the customer is using to publicize all of their information on Facebook and Twitter. Consumers do not care enough about their privacy to the point where they are providing the information willingly.
>>Consumers should have legal say in how or wether their data are harvested and also sold.
> They do. https://www.fcc.gov/general/customer-privacy
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 9:12 AM Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE <lb at 6by7.net> wrote:
>> This is an enormous problem, see: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2021/10/ftc-staff-report-finds-many-internet-service-providers-collect-troves-personal-data-users-have-few
>> Consumers should have legal say in how or wether their data are harvested and also sold.
>> Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
>> 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC
>> lb at 6by7.net
>> "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the world.”
>> FCC License KJ6FJJ
>> Sent from my iPhone via RFC1149.
>>> On Mar 24, 2022, at 3:44 AM, Giovane C. M. Moura via NANOG <nanog at nanog.org> wrote:
>>> Hello there,
>>> Several years ago, a friend of mine was working for a large telco and his job was to detect which clients had the worst networking experience.
>>> To do that, the telco had this hadoop cluster, where it collected _tons_ of data from home users routers, and his job was to use ML to tell the signal from the noise.
>>> I remember seeing a sample csv from this data, which contained _thousands_ of data fields (features) from each client.
>>> I was _shocked_ by the amount of (meta)data they are able to pull from home routers. These even included your wifi network name _and_ password!
>>> (it's been several years since then).
>>> And home users are _completely_ unaware of this.
>>> So my question to you folks is:
>>> - What's the policy regulations on this? I don't remember the features (thousands) but I'm pretty sure you could some profiling with it.
>>> - Is anyone aware of any public discussion on this? I have never seen it.
>>> Giovane Moura
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