New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Fri Feb 11 21:14:45 UTC 2022

Because literally every case I've seen along these lines is someone
complaining about the coax connection is "only 100 meg when I pay for 200
meg".  Comcast was the most hated company and yet they factually had better
speeds (possibly in part to their subjectively terrible customer service)
for years.

>An apartment building could have cheap 1G fiber and the houses across the
street have no option but slow DSL.

Where is this example?  Or is this strictly hypothetical?

I am not seeing any examples, anywhere, with accurate data, where it's what
most consider to be in town/urban and poor speeds.  The only one that was
close was Jared and I'm pretty sure when I saw the map I wouldn't consider
that in town (could be wrong) but again, there's gig fiber there now.  I
don't remember if he actually got his CLEC, or why that matters, but
there's fiber there now.

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 4:05 PM Brandon Svec via NANOG <nanog at nanog.org>
wrote:

> What is the point of these anecdotes? Surely anyone on this list with even
> a passing knowledge of the broadband landscape in the United States knows
> how hit or miss it can be.  An apartment building could have cheap 1G fiber
> and the houses across the street have no option but slow DSL.  Houses could
> have reliable high speed cable internet, but the office park across the
> field has no such choice because the buildout cost is prohibitively high to
> get fiber, etc.
>
> There are plenty of places with only one or two choices of provider too.
> Of course, this is literally changing by the minute as new services are
> continually being added and upgraded.
> *Brandon Svec*
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:36 PM Josh Luthman <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>> OK the one example you provided has gigabit fiber though.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 8:41 AM Tom Beecher <beecher at beecher.cc> wrote:
>>
>>> Can you provide examples?
>>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twe6uTwOyJo&ab_channel=NANOG
>>>
>>> Our good friend Jared could only get 1.5M DSL living just outside Ann
>>> Arbor, MI, so he had to start his own CLEC.
>>>
>>> I have friends in significantly more rural areas than he lives in (
>>> Niagara and Orleans county NYS , between Niagara Falls and Rochester ) who
>>> have the same 400Mb package from Spectrum that I do, living in the City of
>>> Niagara Falls.
>>>
>>> This is not to say that rural America is a mecca of connectivity; there
>>> is a long way to go all the way around regardless. But it is a direct
>>> example as you asked for.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:57 PM Josh Luthman <
>>> josh at imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >There are plenty of urban and suburban areas in America that are far
>>>> worse off from a broadband perspective than “rural America”.
>>>>
>>>> Can you provide examples?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:51 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog at nanog.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Jun 2, 2021, at 02:10 , Mark Tinka <mark at tinka.africa> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 6/2/21 11:04, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> I disagree… If it could be forced into a standardized format using
>>>>> a standardized approach to data acquisition and reliable comparable results
>>>>> across providers, it could be a very useful adjunct to real competition.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If we can't even agree on what "minimum speed for U.S. broadband
>>>>> connections" actually means, fat chance having a "nutritional facts" at the
>>>>> back of the "Internet in a tea cup" dropped off at your door step.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I'm not saying it's not useful, I'm just saying that easily goes
>>>>> down the "what color should we use for the bike shed" territory, while
>>>>> people in rural America still have no or poor Internet access.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Mark.
>>>>>
>>>>> ROFLMAO…
>>>>>
>>>>> People in Rural America seem to be doing just fine. Most of the ones I
>>>>> know at least have GPON or better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, here in San Jose, a city that bills itself as “The Capital
>>>>> of Silicon Valley”, the best I can get is Comcast (which does finally
>>>>> purport to be Gig down), but rarely delivers that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, anything involving the federal government will get the full bike
>>>>> shed treatment no matter what we do.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are plenty of urban and suburban areas in America that are far
>>>>> worse off from a broadband perspective than “rural America”.
>>>>>
>>>>> Owen
>>>>>
>>>>>
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