DDoS attack with blackmail

Mon May 24 16:58:00 UTC 2021

Jim,

While I don't envy those who put in long hours to mitigate DDoSes at the
11th hour, the security industry as a whole, DDoS mitigation included,
doesn't have a perfectly clean track record. Public court records offer
plenty of evidence, and convictions from foul play while trying to win bids.

An individual I worked with previously personally handled a long, drawn out
DDoS event that was ultimately perpetrated by a security contractor bidding
for a job (I didn't work it personally, but it was a frequent topic of
discussion while it was ongoing). Fortunately, after subsequent months of
law enforcement investigation, the contractor was brought up on charges.

It's definitely not "crap" , it's a fact, albeit not necessarily common.

-Matt

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 10:38 AM jim deleskie <deleskie at gmail.com> wrote:

> While I have no design to engage in over email argument over how much
> latency people can actually tolerate, I will simply state that most people
> have a very poor understanding of it and how much additional latency is
> really introduced by DDoS mitigation.
>
> As for implying that DDoS mitigation companies are complicit or involved
> in attacks, while not the first time i heard that crap it's pretty
> offensive to those that work long hours for years dealing with the
> garbage.  If you honestly believe anyone your dealing with is involved with
> launching attacks you clearly have not done your research into potential
> partners.
>
>
>
> On Sat., May 22, 2021, 11:20 a.m. Jean St-Laurent via NANOG, <
> nanog at nanog.org> wrote:
>
>> Some industries can’t afford that extra delay by DDoS mitigation vendors.
>>
>>
>>
>> The video game industry is one of them and there might be others that
>> can’t tolerate these extra ms. Telemedicine, video-conference, fintech, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> As a side note, my former employer in video game was bidding for these
>> vendors offering DDoS protection. While bidding, we were hit with abnormal
>> patterns. As soon as we chose one vendors those very tricky DDoS patterns
>> stopped.
>>
>> I am not saying they are working on both side, but still the coincidence
>> was interesting. In the end, we never used them because they were not able
>> to perfectly block the threat without impacting all the others projects.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think these mitigators are nice to have as a very last resort. I
>> believe what is more important for Network Operators is: to be aware of
>> this, to be able to detect it, mitigate it and/or minimize the impact. It’s
>> like magic, where did that rabbit go?
>>
>>
>>
>> The art of war taught me everything there is to know about DDoS attacks
>> even if it was written some 2500 years ago.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect that the attack that impacted Baldur’s assets was a very easy
>> DDoS to detect and block, but can’t confirm.
>>
>>
>>
>> @Baldur: do you care to share some metrics?
>>
>>
>>
>> Jean
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+jean=ddostest.me at nanog.org> *On Behalf Of *Jean
>> St-Laurent via NANOG
>> *Sent:* May 21, 2021 10:52 AM
>> *To:* 'Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE' <lb at 6by7.net>; 'Baldur
>> Norddahl' <baldur.norddahl at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* 'NANOG Operators' Group' <nanog at nanog.org>
>> *Subject:* RE: DDoS attack with blackmail
>>
>>
>>
>> I also recommend book Art of War from Sun Tzu.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the answers to your questions are in that book.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jean
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+jean=ddostest.me at nanog.org> *On Behalf Of *Lady
>> Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
>> *Sent:* May 20, 2021 7:18 PM
>> *To:* Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* NANOG Operators' Group <nanog at nanog.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: DDoS attack with blackmail
>>
>>
>>
>> 20 years ago I wrote an automatic teardrop attack.  If your IP spammed us
>> 5 times, then a script would run, knocking the remote host off the internet
>> entirely.
>>
>>
>>
>> Later I modified it to launch 1000 teardrop attacks/second…
>>
>>
>>
>> Today,  contact the FBI.
>>
>>
>>
>> And get a mitigation service above your borders if you can.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> —L.B.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
>>
>> 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC
>>
>> CEO
>>
>> lb at 6by7.net
>>
>> "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in
>> the world.”
>>
>> FCC License KJ6FJJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 20, 2021, at 12:26 PM, Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello
>>
>>
>>
>> We got attacked by a group that calls themselves "Fancy Lazarus". They
>> want payment in BC to not attack us again. The attack was a volume attack
>> to our DNS and URL fetch from our webserver.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am interested in any experience in fighting back against these guys.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Baldur
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>

-- 
Matt Erculiani
ERCUL-ARIN
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