DDoS attack with blackmail

Mon May 24 16:37:45 UTC 2021

While I have no design to engage in over email argument over how much
latency people can actually tolerate, I will simply state that most people
have a very poor understanding of it and how much additional latency is
really introduced by DDoS mitigation.

As for implying that DDoS mitigation companies are complicit or involved in
attacks, while not the first time i heard that crap it's pretty offensive
to those that work long hours for years dealing with the garbage.  If you
honestly believe anyone your dealing with is involved with launching
attacks you clearly have not done your research into potential partners.

On Sat., May 22, 2021, 11:20 a.m. Jean St-Laurent via NANOG, <
nanog at nanog.org> wrote:

> Some industries can’t afford that extra delay by DDoS mitigation vendors.
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> The video game industry is one of them and there might be others that
> can’t tolerate these extra ms. Telemedicine, video-conference, fintech, etc.
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> As a side note, my former employer in video game was bidding for these
> vendors offering DDoS protection. While bidding, we were hit with abnormal
> patterns. As soon as we chose one vendors those very tricky DDoS patterns
> stopped.
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> I am not saying they are working on both side, but still the coincidence
> was interesting. In the end, we never used them because they were not able
> to perfectly block the threat without impacting all the others projects.
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> I think these mitigators are nice to have as a very last resort. I believe
> what is more important for Network Operators is: to be aware of this, to be
> able to detect it, mitigate it and/or minimize the impact. It’s like magic,
> where did that rabbit go?
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> The art of war taught me everything there is to know about DDoS attacks
> even if it was written some 2500 years ago.
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> I suspect that the attack that impacted Baldur’s assets was a very easy
> DDoS to detect and block, but can’t confirm.
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> @Baldur: do you care to share some metrics?
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> Jean
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> *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+jean=ddostest.me at nanog.org> *On Behalf Of *Jean
> St-Laurent via NANOG
> *Sent:* May 21, 2021 10:52 AM
> *To:* 'Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE' <lb at 6by7.net>; 'Baldur
> Norddahl' <baldur.norddahl at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* 'NANOG Operators' Group' <nanog at nanog.org>
> *Subject:* RE: DDoS attack with blackmail
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> I also recommend book Art of War from Sun Tzu.
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> All the answers to your questions are in that book.
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> Jean
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> *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+jean=ddostest.me at nanog.org> *On Behalf Of *Lady
> Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
> *Sent:* May 20, 2021 7:18 PM
> *To:* Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* NANOG Operators' Group <nanog at nanog.org>
> *Subject:* Re: DDoS attack with blackmail
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> 20 years ago I wrote an automatic teardrop attack.  If your IP spammed us
> 5 times, then a script would run, knocking the remote host off the internet
> entirely.
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> Later I modified it to launch 1000 teardrop attacks/second…
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> Today,  contact the FBI.
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> And get a mitigation service above your borders if you can.
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> —L.B.
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> Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
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> 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC
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> CEO
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> lb at 6by7.net
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> "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in
> the world.”
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> FCC License KJ6FJJ
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> On May 20, 2021, at 12:26 PM, Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Hello
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> We got attacked by a group that calls themselves "Fancy Lazarus". They
> want payment in BC to not attack us again. The attack was a volume attack
> to our DNS and URL fetch from our webserver.
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> I am interested in any experience in fighting back against these guys.
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> Thanks,
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> Baldur
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