power to the internet

Sat Dec 28 17:04:15 UTC 2019

What is wrong with lead acid battery backup? Seems to be exceedingly stable
from my experience. We have all our equipment on -48V DC and have never had
a power interruption at any site.

The requirements here are 48 hours of backup by law. Telecom is declared to
be part of emergency and defense, so they put in a requirement for
resilience.

Regards

Baldur

tor. 26. dec. 2019 11.33 skrev Joe Maimon <jmaimon at jmaimon.com>:

> Unless telecom infrastructure has been diligently changing out the lead
> acid battery approach at all their remote terminals, powered gpon, hfc
> and antennae plants will never last more than minutes. If at all.
>
> A traditional car has between a 100-200amp alternator @12volts
>
> How much generating capacity can you get out of a typical hybrid?
>
> Self-isolating and re-tieing inverters. Economic household ATS systems.
> Do those exist?
>
> Enough independent distributed capacity and now comes the ability to
> create grid islands. How might that look?
>
> Electric grid shortage is likely coming to NYC, courtesy of folk of
> certain political persuasion and their love of stone age era living. IP
> decommissioning.
>
> If you have CO loop copper, keep it.
>
> Joe
>
> Don Gould wrote:
> > This is a very short term problem.
> >
> > The market is going to fill with battery storage sooner rather than
> > later.
> >
> > Solar is just exploding.
> >
> > Your car will "house tie".
> >
> > 6G will solve your data problem.
> >
> > D
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Don Gould
> > 5 Cargill Place
> > Richmond
> > Christchurch, New Zealand
> > Mobile/Telegram: + 64 21 114 0699
> > www. <http://www.tusker.net.au/>bowenvale.co.nz
> >
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Michael Thomas <mike at mtcc.com>
> > Date: 26/12/19 2:33 PM (GMT+12:00)
> > To: nanog at nanog.org
> > Subject: power to the internet
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/25/california-power-shutoffs-089678
> >
> >
> > This article details some of the issues with California's "new reality"
> > of planned blackouts. One of the big things that came to light with
> > these blackouts is that our network infrastructure's resilience is
> > pretty lacking. While I was (surprisingly to me) ok with my DSL
> > connection out in the boonies, lots and lots of people with cable
> > weren't so lucky. And I'm not sure how bad the situation is with
> > cellular infrastructure, but I assume it's not much better than cable.
> > And I wouldn't doubt that other DSL deployments go dark when power is
> > down. I have no clue with fiber.
> >
> > So I guess what I'm wondering is what can we do about this? What should
> > we do about this? These days IP access is not just convenience, it's the
> > way we go about our lives, just like electricity itself. At base, it
> > seems to me that network operators should be required to keep the lights
> > on in blackouts just like POTS operators do now. If I have power to
> > light my modem or charge in my phone, I should be able to get onto the
> > net. That seems like table stakes.
> >
> > One of the things we learned also is that the blackouts seem to last
> > between 2-3 days apiece. I happen to have a generator since I'm out in
> > the boonies and our power gets cut regularly because of snow, but not
> > everyone has that luxury. I kind of want to think that my router+modem
> > use about 20 watts, so powering it up would take about 1.5kwh for 3
> > days. a quick google look shows that I'd probably need to shell out $500
> > or so for a battery of that capacity, and that's doesn't include your
> > phones, laptops, tv's, etc power needs. What does that mean? That is a
> > major expense for a lot of people.
> >
> > On the bright side, I hear that power generator companies stocks have
> > gone through the roof.
> >
> > On the dark side, this is probably coming to a lot more states and
> > countries due to climate change. Australia. Sigh.
> >
> > Mike
> >
>
>
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