power to the internet

Dan Hollis goemon at sasami.anime.net
Sat Dec 28 19:47:25 UTC 2019


Nothing.

It is extremely cheap, extremely durable, and nearly 100% recyclable. All 
the things lithium is not.

The only thing is lead acid is not power dense, but that is not generally 
a problem at sites.

-Dan

On Sat, 28 Dec 2019, Baldur Norddahl wrote:

> What is wrong with lead acid battery backup? Seems to be exceedingly stable
> from my experience. We have all our equipment on -48V DC and have never had
> a power interruption at any site.
>
> The requirements here are 48 hours of backup by law. Telecom is declared to
> be part of emergency and defense, so they put in a requirement for
> resilience.
>
> Regards
>
> Baldur
>
>
> tor. 26. dec. 2019 11.33 skrev Joe Maimon <jmaimon at jmaimon.com>:
>
>> Unless telecom infrastructure has been diligently changing out the lead
>> acid battery approach at all their remote terminals, powered gpon, hfc
>> and antennae plants will never last more than minutes. If at all.
>>
>> A traditional car has between a 100-200amp alternator @12volts
>>
>> How much generating capacity can you get out of a typical hybrid?
>>
>> Self-isolating and re-tieing inverters. Economic household ATS systems.
>> Do those exist?
>>
>> Enough independent distributed capacity and now comes the ability to
>> create grid islands. How might that look?
>>
>> Electric grid shortage is likely coming to NYC, courtesy of folk of
>> certain political persuasion and their love of stone age era living. IP
>> decommissioning.
>>
>> If you have CO loop copper, keep it.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Don Gould wrote:
>>> This is a very short term problem.
>>>
>>> The market is going to fill with battery storage sooner rather than
>>> later.
>>>
>>> Solar is just exploding.
>>>
>>> Your car will "house tie".
>>>
>>> 6G will solve your data problem.
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Don Gould
>>> 5 Cargill Place
>>> Richmond
>>> Christchurch, New Zealand
>>> Mobile/Telegram: + 64 21 114 0699
>>> www. <http://www.tusker.net.au/>bowenvale.co.nz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Michael Thomas <mike at mtcc.com>
>>> Date: 26/12/19 2:33 PM (GMT+12:00)
>>> To: nanog at nanog.org
>>> Subject: power to the internet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/25/california-power-shutoffs-089678
>>>
>>>
>>> This article details some of the issues with California's "new reality"
>>> of planned blackouts. One of the big things that came to light with
>>> these blackouts is that our network infrastructure's resilience is
>>> pretty lacking. While I was (surprisingly to me) ok with my DSL
>>> connection out in the boonies, lots and lots of people with cable
>>> weren't so lucky. And I'm not sure how bad the situation is with
>>> cellular infrastructure, but I assume it's not much better than cable.
>>> And I wouldn't doubt that other DSL deployments go dark when power is
>>> down. I have no clue with fiber.
>>>
>>> So I guess what I'm wondering is what can we do about this? What should
>>> we do about this? These days IP access is not just convenience, it's the
>>> way we go about our lives, just like electricity itself. At base, it
>>> seems to me that network operators should be required to keep the lights
>>> on in blackouts just like POTS operators do now. If I have power to
>>> light my modem or charge in my phone, I should be able to get onto the
>>> net. That seems like table stakes.
>>>
>>> One of the things we learned also is that the blackouts seem to last
>>> between 2-3 days apiece. I happen to have a generator since I'm out in
>>> the boonies and our power gets cut regularly because of snow, but not
>>> everyone has that luxury. I kind of want to think that my router+modem
>>> use about 20 watts, so powering it up would take about 1.5kwh for 3
>>> days. a quick google look shows that I'd probably need to shell out $500
>>> or so for a battery of that capacity, and that's doesn't include your
>>> phones, laptops, tv's, etc power needs. What does that mean? That is a
>>> major expense for a lot of people.
>>>
>>> On the bright side, I hear that power generator companies stocks have
>>> gone through the roof.
>>>
>>> On the dark side, this is probably coming to a lot more states and
>>> countries due to climate change. Australia. Sigh.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>
>>
>



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