Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

Fri Dec 21 14:22:45 UTC 2018

Not all transit is cheap and not all transit is good quality, regardless of what it costs. ;-) 

At our IX, we regularly see clients whose total network usage goes up once they're on the IX. 

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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

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From: "Mehmet Akcin" <mehmet at akcin.net> 
To: "Clayton Zekelman" <clayton at mnsi.net> 
Cc: "Mike Hammett" <nanog at ics-il.net>, "NANOG Mailing List" <nanog at nanog.org>, "Tim Raphael" <raphael.timothy at gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:19:43 AM 
Subject: Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX 

Torix and Six are great examples. 

If you want to be for profit, make sure to publish port pricing and keep it fair. Transit is cheap and good quality 

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 08:14 Clayton Zekelman < clayton at mnsi.net > wrote: 

TorIX is a great example of a not for profit IX that is very successful. 

https://www.torix.ca/ 

A very dedicated team of people provide an incredible level of service. 

Thave a very transparent process. Their pricing is listed up front on their website: 

https://www.torix.ca/peering/#pricing 

At 09:03 AM 21/12/2018, Mike Hammett wrote: 

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As far as neutral, I meant separate from the datacenters in which they're housed. People in NA seem to think there are only two kinds of IXes, Equinix, DRT, Coresite types and NWAX, SIX, MICE types. 

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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

From: "Tim Raphael" < raphael.timothy at gmail.com > 
To: "NANOG Mailing List" < nanog at nanog.org > 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:39:42 PM 
Subject: Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX 

The other point to consider is that a NFP can justify more locations and offer services (such as extended reach) that donâ€™t have the same profit margins or ROI as for-profits. 
This often leads to greater value to those with smaller networks and fewer customers allowing them to grow and expand without increased aggregation or transit costs. This in-turn leads to a richer array of providers and chips away at the monopolies in niche markets. 

The NFP IXP I work for focuses on providing value to the broader community and the Internet as a whole - especially somewhere like Australia which has unique constraints. 

Additionally, â€œNeutralâ€ and For-Profit doesnâ€™t always compute in my mind, there will always be commercial alliances that lead to not-total neutrality. 
When a NFP is owned by itâ€™s members there has to be 100% transparency in organisational decisions around member funds and resources which ensures accountability reliability. 

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- Tim 

> On 21 Dec 2018, at 3:58 am, Brielle Bruns < bruns at 2mbit.com > wrote: 
> 
> On 12/20/2018 12:51 PM, Aaron wrote: 
>> Probably price. Also perception of value. If you're a for profit enterprise then they're paying for interconnection plus your bump. If you're non-profit the perception is that there is a larger value because there's no bump. Whether that's true or not, who knows but that's the perception I've heard. 
> 
> Depending on the size of the non-profit, I'd almost compare it to how the hospitals are here in Boise. 
> 
> The non-profits are oversized, monopolistic, price gouging, etc. Their care can be pretty meh, esp since they bought up all the little independent clinics (yay, ER pricing for a basic family clinic visit). 
> 
> The for-profit smaller clinics and hospitals run a pretty tight ship, better value for their money, service is very good, and compete with one another for who has the best service. 
> 
> People think they are getting 'better' because they are going to a place that is supposed to be run to benefit people over profit, but alas, you'd be very very wrong. 
> -- 
> Brielle Bruns 
> The Summit Open Source Development Group 
> http://www.sosdg.org / http://www.ahbl.org 
> 

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Clayton Zekelman 
Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi) 
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Mehmet 
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