Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
tgrand at tgrand.com
Tue Mar 14 16:29:39 UTC 2017
In reply to the group as my reply was only to Luke.
This is why I say, they should need to justify the extension of these costs.
In my opinion a transit provider should not have any justification to extend said costs.
One might suggest that the unjustified extension of these costs could be construed as fraudulent charges.
From: Luke Guillory [mailto:lguillory at reservetele.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:08 AM
To: Todd Grand <tgrand at tgrand.com>
Cc: Eric Dugas <edugas at unknowndevice.ca>; Graham Johnston <johnstong at westmancom.com>; NANOG <nanog at nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
On transit though? We in the US pay all of these types of fees as well though not on service outside of telephone.
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On Mar 14, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Todd Grand <tgrand at tgrand.com> wrote:
> These costs are related to federal, provincial and/or municipal
> mandates, programs and requirements such as provincial 9-1-1 fees,
> spectrum acquisition, licensing charges, and contribution charges to
> help subsidize telephone service in rural and remote areas. These
> costs are not taxes or amounts that the government requires carriers
> to collect. The specific amount of these costs can vary as the
> fees/costs of government mandates/programs change.
> I would have them outline what regulatory costs they incur, as they
> have to justify the extension of these costs, or in my opinion it is a
> form of fraud.
> Todd Grand
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+tgrand=tgrand.com at nanog.org] On
> Behalf Of Eric Dugas
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:00 AM
> To: Graham Johnston <johnstong at westmancom.com>
> Cc: NANOG <nanog at nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
> From what I've gathered so far, every other carriers that we use are
> either invoicing us from Canada or outside the US (e.g. Telia from
> Vancouver, BC and Cogent from Toronto, ON).
> A couple of minutes after firing my first email, our rep called me to
> follow up. He'll escalate this as far as he can with his COO and CFO
> and suggested two scenarios.
> On Mar 14 2017, at 10:41 am, Graham Johnston
> <johnstong at westmancom.com>
>> We don't explicitly pay a charge like this for the transit bandwidth
> purchase in Toronto from an international carrier, and I doubt that it
> is built into the cost without any mention of it. I've never heard of
> such a thing.
>> Graham Johnston
> Network Planner
> Westman Communications Group
> johnstong at westmancom.com
>> \-----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces at nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Dugas
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:04 AM
> To: NANOG
> Subject: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
>> I recently negotiated a new contract with a tier1 for IP transit in
> just got the invoice. I saw a "new" Regulatory Recovery Surcharge of
> 10% the MRC (before taxes) that I've never seen before. Do any of my
> Canadian fellows on this list are paying this outrageous surcharge?
>> Other than saying "it's in the MSA", our rep, their tax and billing
> are not useful at all. The actual rate is not specified anywhere in
> the MSA or in the contract.
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