gagging *IX directors re snoop/block orders

Fri Feb 17 16:46:59 UTC 2017

There is one problem: The article is factually incorrect on multiple points. So comparing A to B when B is a fairy tale does not make much sense.

The proposed constitutional changes are in the public domain.

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TTFN,
patrick

P.S. Full disclosure, I am a LINX director. So maybe I’m saying this to protect myself. If only you could read the proposed changes and decide for yourself. Oh, wait….

> On Feb 17, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Ken Chase <math at sizone.org> wrote:
> 
> Just meant it as a parallel operational example. Both situations, while legally
> distinct, present the same operational issues. 
> 
> Purposely breaking things - and then being required to keep the breakage secret -
> is going to mess up a whole lot of things. (How does Chinese operators handle this?)
> 
> Additionally the snooping is an issue, though I can't imagine anyone depends on
> an IX for maintaining secrecy at a contract level :/ Today's realities.
> 
> /kc
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:03:00AM -0600, Mike Hammett said:
>> I'm not sure Cogent is on any IXes? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- 
>> Mike Hammett 
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> http://www.ics-il.com 
>> 
>> Midwest-IX 
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> 
>> From: "Ken Chase" <math at sizone.org> 
>> To: nanog at nanog.org 
>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 9:56:23 AM 
>> Subject: gagging *IX directors re snoop/block orders 
>> 
>> And when you go to figure out why that IP wont ping through Cogent on 
>> your exchange, and start troubleshooting but can't get any answers 
>> as to why things are bust... 
>> 
>> [ Clearly now an operational issue for NANOG. ] 
>> 
>> Purposely breaking routing and not being able to talk about why is going to 
>> set many orgs at odds with their basic operational charters. I expect that 
>> a paid service will work when it's provided, including help debugging their end. 
>> 
>> This is slightly different from a service provider, ostensibly you can 
>> go elsewhere to get service - but when you are a member of a nonprofit *IX 
>> (as we are with TorIX), things get a lot more complex. 
>> 
>> I imagine contract lawyers are going to be all over this. 
>> 
>> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/17/linx_snoopers_charger_gagging_order/ 
>> 
>> (their typo in the url) 
>> 
> 
> /kc 
> -- 
> Ken Chase - math at sizone.org Guelph/Toronto Canada 