AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun

Mike Hammett nanog at
Thu Mar 10 18:37:11 UTC 2016

Anyone that complains about double billing doesn't apparently know how the Internet works and should relegate themselves to writing articles for GigaOm. Oh.... 

Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

----- Original Message -----

From: "William Herrin" <bill at> 
To: "Dennis Burgess" <dmburgess at> 
Cc: "North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog at> 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:55:30 AM 
Subject: Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun 

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Dennis Burgess 
<dmburgess at> wrote: 
> Not wishing to get into a pissing war with who is right or wrong, but it sounds like 
> google already pays or has an agreement with cogent for v4, as that's unaffected, 
> cogent says google is simply not advertising v6 prefixes to them, so, how is 
> that cogent's fault? 

Hi Dennis, 

It's Cogent's fault because: double-billing. Google should not have to 
pay Cogent for a service which you have already paid Cogent to provide 
to you. Cogent's demand is unethical. They intentionally fail to 
deliver on the basic service expectation you pay them for and refuse 
to do so unless a third party to your contract also pays them. 

Google, by contrast, makes no demand that Cogent pay them even though 
you are not paying Google for service. They offer "open peering," a 
free interconnect via many neutral data centers. 

If you're not single-homed to Cogent and you have the balls for it, I 
would file an outage with Cogent and demand service credit until they 
resolve their IPv6 access problem with Google. And then refuse to pay 
until they connect with Google. 

If you are single-homed to Cogent, it's *very* important that you do 
something about that before you get burned in a way that matters. 

Bill Herrin 

William Herrin ................ herrin at bill at 
Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <> 

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