Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality

Daniel Taylor dtaylor at vocalabs.com
Mon Mar 2 15:16:19 UTC 2015


My apologies for the implication.

I meant that on the Internet as a whole it is unusual for such speeds to 
actually be realized in practice due to various issues.

8-10Mb/s seems to be what one can expect without going to distributed 
protocols.

On 03/02/2015 09:06 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
> Daniel,
>
> The sold speeds are all actually less than the actual speeds. The PON 
> customers are slightly over provisioned and the DOCSIS customers are 
> over provisioned a bit more.
>
> On Mar 2, 2015 10:01 AM, "Daniel Taylor" <dtaylor at vocalabs.com 
> <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>> wrote:
>
>     What do those 25 and 50Mb/s download rates amount to in practice?
>
>     Statistically speaking, those might *be* symmetric.
>
>     On 03/02/2015 08:41 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
>
>         Daniel,
>         For the third or fourth time in this discussion we are
>         tracking and customer satisfaction for users who do have
>         symmetrical bandwidth >24 mbps and have for a number of years.
>
>         We see customer usage patterns and satisfaction being
>         statically the same on 25/25 and 25/8 accounts.  The same is
>         true when we look at 50/50 versus 50/12 accounts.
>
>         On Mar 2, 2015 9:22 AM, "Daniel Taylor" <dtaylor at vocalabs.com
>         <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com> <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com
>         <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>>> wrote:
>
>             I'm clearly not a normal user, or I wouldn't be here.
>             Normal users have never experienced high-speed symmetrical
>         service.
>
>             People don't miss what they have never had.
>
>             On 03/02/2015 08:09 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
>
>                 That's not the norm for consumers, but the important
>         thing to
>                 understand is that for most of the technologies we use for
>                 broadband there simply is less upstream capacity than
>                 downstream.  That upstream scarcity means that for DSL,
>                 DOCSIS, PON, WiFi, and LTE delivering symmetrical upstream
>                 bandwidth will cost the service provider more which
>         means at
>                 some point it will cost consumers more.
>
>                 WiFi is a special case, while there is no theoretical
>         reason
>                 it must be asymmetrical but it works that way in practice
>                 because dedicated APs invariably have both higher transmit
>                 power and much better antenna gain.  The average AP in
>         the US
>                 will put out a watt or more while clients are putting
>         out ~250
>                 milliwatts and with 0 antenna gain.
>
>                 On Mar 2, 2015 8:58 AM, "Daniel Taylor"
>         <dtaylor at vocalabs.com <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>
>                 <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com
>         <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>> <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com
>         <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>
>                 <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com
>         <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>>>> wrote:
>
>                     Personally?
>                     If the price were the same, I'd go with 50/50.
>
>                     That way my uploads would take even less time.
>
>                     It isn't about the averaged total, it's about how long
>                 each event
>                     takes, and backing up 4GB of files off-site
>         shouldn't have
>                 to take
>                     an hour.
>
>                     On 02/27/2015 03:11 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
>                         Daniel,
>
>
>                         "50MB/s might be tough to fill, but even at
>         home I can get
>                         good use out of the odd 25MB/s upstream burst
>         for a
>                 few minutes."
>
>                         Which would you choose, 50/50 or 75/25?  My
>         point is
>                 not that
>                         upstream speed isn't valuable, but merely that
>         demand
>                 for it
>                         isn't symmetrical and unless the market
>         changes won't
>                 be in
>                         the near term.  Downstream demand is growing,
>         in most
>                 markets
>                         I can see, much faster than upstream demand.
>
>
>
>                         Scott Helms
>                         Vice President of Technology
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>
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