ARIN board accountability to network operators (was: RE: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal)

Owen DeLong owen at
Fri Mar 28 06:22:26 UTC 2014

I, for one, would not want to start having to pay RIPE-level fees.

ARIN fees are a much better deal than RIPE fees.


On Mar 27, 2014, at 3:10 PM, Cb B <cb.list6 at> wrote:

> On Mar 27, 2014 3:03 PM, "John Curran" <jcurran at> wrote:
>> And I would welcome discussion of how ARIN (and nanog) can be more like
> RIPE - that is very much up to this community and its participation far
> more than ARIN..
>> /John
> How about we fold ARIN into RIPE? Why not? I agree with all of Randy's
> points. I am sure RIPE can easily scale up to take on ARIN services, with
> fees being reduced for all involved due to economies of scale.
> CB
>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 5:27 AM, Randy Bush <randy at> wrote:
>>> john,
>>> i think your attemt to move the discussion to the arin ppml list
>>> exemplifies one core of the problem.  this is not about address policy,
>>> but arin thinks of itelf as a regulator not a registry.
>>> contrast with the ripe community and the ncc, which is not nirvana but
>>> is a hell of a lot better.  among other key differences, the ncc is
>>> engaged with the community through technical and business working
>>> groups.
>>> e.g. the database working group covers what you think of as whois and
>>> the routing registry.  the wg developed the darned irr definition and
>>> continues to evolve it.  consequence?  the irr is actively used in two
>>> regions in the world, europe and japan (which likes anything ocd:-).
>>> the routing wg works with the ops to develop routing technology such as
>>> route flap damping.  there is a reason that serious ops attend ripe
>>> meetings.  yes, a whole lot of folk with enable are engaged.
>>> for years there has been a wg on the global layer nine issues.
>>> the dns wg deals with reverse delegation, root server ops, etc.  and
>>> guess what, all the dns heavy techs and ops are engaged.
>>> there is a wg for discussing what services the ncc offers.  the recent
>>> simplification and opening of services to legacy and PI holders happened
>>> in the ncc services wg, it was about services not addressing policy.
>>> and this is aside from daniel's global measurement empire.  not sure it
>>> is a registry's job to do this, but it is a serious contribution to the
>>> internet.
>>> the ncc is engaged with its community on the subhects that actually
>>> interest operators and affect our daily lives.
>>> there is nothing of interest at an arin meeting, a bunch of junior
>>> wannabe regulators and vigilantes making an embarrassing mess.  i've
>>> even taken to skipping nanog, if ras talks i can watch the recording.
>>> all the cool kids will be in warsaw.  ops vote with our feet.
>>> randy

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