ARIN board accountability to network operators (was: RE: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal)

Thu Mar 27 22:10:17 UTC 2014

On Mar 27, 2014 3:03 PM, "John Curran" <jcurran at istaff.org> wrote:
>
> And I would welcome discussion of how ARIN (and nanog) can be more like
RIPE - that is very much up to this community and its participation far
more than ARIN..
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> /John
>

How about we fold ARIN into RIPE? Why not? I agree with all of Randy's
points. I am sure RIPE can easily scale up to take on ARIN services, with
fees being reduced for all involved due to economies of scale.

CB

> > On Mar 28, 2014, at 5:27 AM, Randy Bush <randy at psg.com> wrote:
> >
> > john,
> >
> > i think your attemt to move the discussion to the arin ppml list
> > exemplifies one core of the problem.  this is not about address policy,
> > but arin thinks of itelf as a regulator not a registry.
> >
> > contrast with the ripe community and the ncc, which is not nirvana but
> > is a hell of a lot better.  among other key differences, the ncc is
> > engaged with the community through technical and business working
> > groups.
> >
> > e.g. the database working group covers what you think of as whois and
> > the routing registry.  the wg developed the darned irr definition and
> > continues to evolve it.  consequence?  the irr is actively used in two
> > regions in the world, europe and japan (which likes anything ocd:-).
> >
> > the routing wg works with the ops to develop routing technology such as
> > route flap damping.  there is a reason that serious ops attend ripe
> > meetings.  yes, a whole lot of folk with enable are engaged.
> >
> > for years there has been a wg on the global layer nine issues.
> >
> > the dns wg deals with reverse delegation, root server ops, etc.  and
> > guess what, all the dns heavy techs and ops are engaged.
> >
> > there is a wg for discussing what services the ncc offers.  the recent
> > simplification and opening of services to legacy and PI holders happened
> > in the ncc services wg, it was about services not addressing policy.
> >
> > and this is aside from daniel's global measurement empire.  not sure it
> > is a registry's job to do this, but it is a serious contribution to the
> > internet.
> >
> > the ncc is engaged with its community on the subhects that actually
> > interest operators and affect our daily lives.
> >
> > there is nothing of interest at an arin meeting, a bunch of junior
> > wannabe regulators and vigilantes making an embarrassing mess.  i've
> > even taken to skipping nanog, if ras talks i can watch the recording.
> > all the cool kids will be in warsaw.  ops vote with our feet.
> >
> > randy
> >
>