ARIN board accountability to network operators (was: RE: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal)

John Curran jcurran at
Thu Mar 27 22:01:08 UTC 2014

And I would welcome discussion of how ARIN (and nanog) can be more like RIPE - that is very much up to this community and its participation far more than ARIN..


> On Mar 28, 2014, at 5:27 AM, Randy Bush <randy at> wrote:
> john,
> i think your attemt to move the discussion to the arin ppml list
> exemplifies one core of the problem.  this is not about address policy,
> but arin thinks of itelf as a regulator not a registry.
> contrast with the ripe community and the ncc, which is not nirvana but
> is a hell of a lot better.  among other key differences, the ncc is
> engaged with the community through technical and business working
> groups.
> e.g. the database working group covers what you think of as whois and
> the routing registry.  the wg developed the darned irr definition and
> continues to evolve it.  consequence?  the irr is actively used in two
> regions in the world, europe and japan (which likes anything ocd:-).
> the routing wg works with the ops to develop routing technology such as
> route flap damping.  there is a reason that serious ops attend ripe
> meetings.  yes, a whole lot of folk with enable are engaged.
> for years there has been a wg on the global layer nine issues.
> the dns wg deals with reverse delegation, root server ops, etc.  and
> guess what, all the dns heavy techs and ops are engaged.
> there is a wg for discussing what services the ncc offers.  the recent
> simplification and opening of services to legacy and PI holders happened
> in the ncc services wg, it was about services not addressing policy.
> and this is aside from daniel's global measurement empire.  not sure it
> is a registry's job to do this, but it is a serious contribution to the
> internet.
> the ncc is engaged with its community on the subhects that actually
> interest operators and affect our daily lives.
> there is nothing of interest at an arin meeting, a bunch of junior
> wannabe regulators and vigilantes making an embarrassing mess.  i've
> even taken to skipping nanog, if ras talks i can watch the recording.
> all the cool kids will be in warsaw.  ops vote with our feet.
> randy

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