Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity

mcfbbqroast . bbqroast at
Mon Jul 28 07:12:11 UTC 2014

Wait, I'm confused?

Of the ISPs can't handle 5mbps of traffic when a customer wants to watch
TV, why the hell are they selling 100mbps plans!?!

Answer that with something other than "because the ISPs more lucrative
content business is threatened by Netflix"?

Stop trying to hide what this so obviously is.


Do you know if Netflix peers with tier 1s (level 3, cogent, etc) or
purchases capacity?


Sorry for the double mail, still getting used to gmail on the Android.

Jed Robertson
On 28 Jul 2014 17:56, "Richard Bennett" <richard at> wrote:

> In fact Netflix is asking to connect to eyeball networks for free:
> for-strong-net.html
> " Strong net neutrality additionally prevents ISPs from charging a toll
> for interconnection to services like Netflix, YouTube, or Skype, or
> intermediaries such as Cogent, Akamai or Level 3, to deliver the services
> and data requested by ISP residential subscribers. Instead, they must
> provide sufficient access to their network without charge."
> This isn't the traditional understanding of net neutrality, but this is
> the beauty of murky notions: they can be redefined as the fashions change:
> "You've designed your network to handle the traffic demands of web
> browsing? That's cute, now rebuild it to handle 40 times more traffic while
> I sit back and call you a crook for not anticipating my innovation."
> Very wow.
> RB
> On 7/27/14, 9:49 PM, Matt Palmer wrote:
>> On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 09:08:17PM -0700, Richard Bennett wrote:
>>> I don't think it's conflation, Joly, since the essence of NN is for
>>> the eyeballs to pay for the entire cost of the network and for edge
>>> providers to use it for free; isn't that what Netflix is asking the
>>> FCC to impose under the guise of "strong net neutrality?"
>> In a word: no.  Net neutrality is about everyone paying their own way to
>> get
>> their packets to where they want them to go.  Netflix doesn't get to use
>> the
>> Internet "for free"; they pay a whole heck of a lot each month to L3 and
>> Cogent.
>> - Matt
> --
> Richard Bennett
> Visiting Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
> Center for Internet, Communications, and Technology Policy
> Editor, High Tech Forum

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