Starting a greenfield(ish) small (10k subs?) multihomed (two ASN) , dual stacked, wireless ISP - i can haz advice?

Josh Baird joshbaird at
Thu Jul 24 16:39:28 UTC 2014

FCC licensing?  No licenses as long as you operate in unlicensed bands (ie,

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:10 AM, hayden <paul.basov at> wrote:

> Sorry, no feedback from me.. I have couple of questions though, how much
> licensing do you need to go through, to actually start a WISP?
> Also, Kansas.. Are you concerned that you’ll have to compete with Google
> Fiber at some point?
> On 23 Jul 2014, at 20:58, charles at wrote:
> > Hey everybody,
> >
> > So all this talk about monopolies, small ISPs vs the big bad netflix  ,
> muni fiber etc etc has been interesting. Lots and lots of talk, lots of
> interesting links etc.
> >
> > I'm an action/results oriented individual, and have been working on
> actually building out a grassroots ISP, instead of just talking about it. :)
> >
> > Over the past year or so, I've been involved with an effort to launch a
> community ISP in the Kansas City MO area. It's got several towers up now
> and a decent amount of users. It's been funded by the community that it
> serves. Feel free to ask any questions you have about the details. It's an
> open network in all aspects (design, business model etc). It is
> intentionally designed/operated in such a way that all aspects can be
> disclosed.
> >
> > We are now ready to take the next step and obtain an ASN and v6 space
> (also looks like we can get a /24 of v4 space as well).
> >
> > What are the things that we should do before we get those resources?
> What should we do immediately after? What books/rfc/bcp should we be most
> familiar with?
> >
> > As is typical of many small outfits, we have an incredibly high degree
> of software skill, and a limited budget which goes entirely to hardware.
> >
> > This is a greenfield network. We've got Ubiquiti gear for the backbone.
> Running a mix of QMP routers with BMX6 as the IGP linked over AirOS l2
> bridge "pseudowires". We'll be homed to two AS upstreams. Using pfSense as
> the WAN edge routers.
> >
> > From all my reading of the list, it seems like key things to do in this
> scenario:
> >
> > 1) Have full flow telemetry at all points to help with (D)DOS mitigation.
> > 2) Do CGN in pools (so perhaps ~500 to 1k users behind each IP)?
> > 3) Provision a /56 of v6 space to each end user. I was thinking of
> having the CPE with CeroWRT and be multi SSID with a /64 per. I'm
> interested in folks thoughts on this?
> > 4) Upsell a public v4 address if someone requires it
> > 5) Of course implement bcp38
> >
> > I'm mostly interested in technical feedback. Business model etc type
> feedback is welcome as well, but not the primary purpose of this message. :)
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Charles Wyble
> > CTO Free Network Foundation

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