Muni Fiber and Politics

Aaron aaron at
Mon Jul 21 20:26:54 UTC 2014

Do you have an example of a municipality that gives free internet access 
to it's residents?

On 7/21/2014 2:26 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
> I think the difference is when the municipality starts throwing in free or highly subsidized layer 3 connectivity "free with every layer 1 connection"
> Matthew Kaufman
> (Sent from my iPhone)
>> On Jul 21, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Blake Dunlap <ikiris at> wrote:
>> My power is pretty much always on, my water is pretty much always on
>> and safe, my sewer system works, etc etc...
>> Why is layer 1 internet magically different from every other utility?
>> -Blake
>>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:38 PM, William Herrin <bill at> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Jay Ashworth <jra at> wrote:
>>>> Over the last decade, 19 states have made it illegal for municipalities
>>>> to own fiber networks
>>> Hi Jay,
>>> Everything government does, it does badly. Without exception. There
>>> are many things government does better than any private organization
>>> is likely to sustain, but even those things it does slowly and at an
>>> exorbitant price.
>>> Muni fiber is a competition killer. You can't beat city hall; once
>>> built it's not practical to compete, even with better service, so
>>> residents are stuck with only the overpriced (either directly or via
>>> taxes), usually underpowered and always one-size-fits-all network
>>> access which results. As an ISP I watched something similar happen in
>>> Altoona PA a decade and a half ago. It was a travesty.
>>> The only exception I see to this would be if localities were
>>> constrained to providing point to point and point to multipoint
>>> communications infrastructure within the locality on a reasonable and
>>> non-discriminatory basis. The competition that would foster on the
>>> services side might outweigh the damage on the infrastructure side.
>>> Like public roads facilitate efficient transportation and freight
>>> despite the cost and potholes, though that's an imperfect simile.
>>> Regards,
>>> Bill Herrin
>>> --
>>> William Herrin ................ herrin at  bill at
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>>> Can I solve your unusual networking challenges?

Aaron Wendel
Chief Technical Officer
Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097)

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