PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
Phil Fagan
philfagan at gmail.com
Fri Jun 21 15:10:14 UTC 2013
I would think this is only an issue if they throw out the Fourth in that
when they use that data collected "inadvertantly" to build a case a against
you they use no other data collected under a proper warrent.
If the purpose was to actually collect data on you, in the event you do
something , they can simply run a query against this data post court
order...then that's crossing the line.
I personally think there is nothing wrong with monitoring US communications
- big difference between monitoring US communications and monitoring US
persons communications.
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Dan White <dwhite at olp.net> wrote:
> On 06/09/13 11:10 -0500, Dan White wrote:
>
>> Let me put my gold tipped tinfoil hat on in response to your statement.
>>
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/**world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-**
> nsa-without-warrant<http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warrant>
>
> If accurate, this is extremely concerning:
>
>
>
> Top secret documents submitted to the court that oversees surveillance
> by US
> intelligence agencies show the judges have signed off on broad orders
> which
> allow the NSA to make use of information "inadvertently" collected from
> domestic US communications without a warrant.
>
> The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection
> of
> foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be
> collected, retained and used.
>
> ...However, alongside those provisions, the Fisa court-approved policies
> allow the NSA to:
>
> • Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up
> to five years;
>
> Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications
> if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity,
> threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to
> contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;
>
>
>
> All protections afforded by the fourth amendment have essentially been
> thrown into the (rather large) bit bucket by the FISA court, when it comes
> to any bits which leave your premise.
>
> --
> Dan White
>
>
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Phil Fagan
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