Muni network ownership and the Fourth

joel jaeggli joelja at
Wed Jan 30 16:12:16 UTC 2013

On 1/30/13 8:05 AM, Jason Baugher wrote:
> Oh, so all the fault belongs to the financial institutions, and there is no
> corruption within the government agencies themselves. Right.
More like it's turtles all the way down.
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:58 AM, joel jaeggli <joelja at> wrote:
>> On 1/30/13 6:33 AM, Jason Baugher wrote:
>>> There is much talk of how many fibers can fit in a duct, can be brought
>>> into a colo space, etc... I haven't seen much mention of how much space
>>> the
>>> termination in the colo would take, such as splice trays, bulkheads,
>>> etc...
>>> Someone earlier mentioned being able to have millions of fibers coming
>>> through a vault, which is true assuming they are just passing through the
>>> vault. When you need to break into one of those 864-fiber cables, the room
>>> for splice cases suddenly becomes a problem.
>>> The other thing I find interesting about this entire thread is the
>>> assumption by most that a government entity would do a good job as a
>>> layer-1 or -2 provider and would be more efficient than a private company.
>>> Governments, including municipalities, are notorious for corruption,
>>> fraud,
>>> waste - you name it. Even when government bids out projects to the private
>>> sector these problems are seen.
>>>   When a municipality issued a bond, bank of america and morgan stanley
>> (and bear stearns) conspired to rig the bidding. Something they paid not
>> insignficant fines over, though hardly enough to compensate the tax payers
>> or municipalities at that bought them at uncompetitive terms.

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