Muni network ownership and the Fourth

Jason Baugher jason at
Wed Jan 30 16:05:15 UTC 2013

Oh, so all the fault belongs to the financial institutions, and there is no
corruption within the government agencies themselves. Right.

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:58 AM, joel jaeggli <joelja at> wrote:

> On 1/30/13 6:33 AM, Jason Baugher wrote:
>> There is much talk of how many fibers can fit in a duct, can be brought
>> into a colo space, etc... I haven't seen much mention of how much space
>> the
>> termination in the colo would take, such as splice trays, bulkheads,
>> etc...
>> Someone earlier mentioned being able to have millions of fibers coming
>> through a vault, which is true assuming they are just passing through the
>> vault. When you need to break into one of those 864-fiber cables, the room
>> for splice cases suddenly becomes a problem.
>> The other thing I find interesting about this entire thread is the
>> assumption by most that a government entity would do a good job as a
>> layer-1 or -2 provider and would be more efficient than a private company.
>> Governments, including municipalities, are notorious for corruption,
>> fraud,
>> waste - you name it. Even when government bids out projects to the private
>> sector these problems are seen.
>>  When a municipality issued a bond, bank of america and morgan stanley
> (and bear stearns) conspired to rig the bidding. Something they paid not
> insignficant fines over, though hardly enough to compensate the tax payers
> or municipalities at that bought them at uncompetitive terms.

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