SP's and v4 block assignments
Patrick W. Gilmore
patrick at ianai.net
Tue Mar 15 10:13:51 CDT 2011
On Mar 15, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Jon Lewis wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2011, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>> On Mar 15, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Andrew Elliott wrote:
>>> Looking for information on the current standard practices for charging customers
>>> for larger than default v4 assignments.
>>> Especially with the rapidly depleting v4 space, how are SP's handling these
>>> requests? Is it safe to assume customers requesting larger blocks are willing
>>> to pay a premium?
>>> How much are SP's charging and what are the thresholds? What are default
>>> allocations based on? (ie: size of the circuit, type of product, etc...)
>>> Are SP's requiring more strict justification for said assignments?
>> "Larger than default"? There are rules about allocating IP space, it has to do with justification, not default sizes.
>> Charging for them means you are likely a spammer or provider catering to spammers, and lying on your justification forms. Hopefully these types of providers will go away as space gets tighter and justifications are scrutinized more.
> You've not been an ISP for too long. Charging for IP space (even justified, not being used for spamming) is pretty common. I don't get involved in sales very often, so I don't know what we charge for them, but I know we do. I don't believe our rates for IPs have changed [yet] in anticipation of IPv4 runout. Our standard IPv4 assignment for dedi/colo single servers has been /28. For cloud, it's /32. Anything more adds to the MRC. I can see the former shrinking soon to /29 or /30 unless the customer demands more.
Sorry, hasty note.
Whenever someone says "how much can I charge for giving a customer more space than they need", I think "spammer". Maybe that's wrong, maybe not, but that's the bell that rang in my head. And I do hope that spammers will have their space reclaimed, because it is _not_ a justified use of space to put a /16 on a single mail server to avoid blacklists.
As for your first sentence, it is true, I Am Not An Isp. :) However, I do get space from providers, and it is not at all normal for the provider to ask us for money. But then, maybe we are special.
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