AS11296 -- Hijacked?

deleskie at deleskie at
Wed Sep 29 12:40:39 UTC 2010

I have no issue with Ron's level of clue or his personal choice to block whichever domain, or blocks of IP space he wishes.  That's one of the true beauties of the internet, we can all do as we see fit with out little corner of if. 
But it goes the same with who we choose to help or which mail systems we choose to use.  Ron choose to set the tone, in his last email, I'll choose not offer assistance in the future unless it relates to my bits of the internet.  No real issue here.

Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network

-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk at>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:25:20 
To: <nanog at>
Subject: Re: AS11296 -- Hijacked?

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 08:38:17AM -0300, jim deleskie wrote:
> WOW full of yourself much.   Many of us use gmail and others to manage the
> load of mail we received from various lists.  I doubt we anyone needs
> your sympathies,
> Good luck getting assistance from the list in the future, but I doubt you
> need it, you see to be able to do everything on your own.

Ron is one of the most senior anti-spam people on this planet, and
has long since demonstrated not only serious clue, but formidable
research and analysis skills.  You may safely trust that if he's
made the decision to post a message like the referenced one in
a public forum that he's done his homework.

As to his decision to block Gmail (or any other freemail provider),
everyone with sufficient knowledge in the field knows that these
operations are prolific and habitual sources of spam (via multiple
vectors, not just SMTP; Google accounts for more Usenet spam hitting
my filters than all other sources combined).  It's thus not at all
unreasonable for some operations to revoke (some oor all of) their
privileges by way of self-defense.  So I think a better response
would be to skip the snark and instead reconsider the decision to
use a freemail provider for professional (outbound [1]) communications.


[1] Using one as a sink for mailing list traffic isn't an entirely
bad idea; I do some of that myself.  Those which provide POP/IMAP
service make it relatively easy to do so -- although one should
accept that they're, in general, not high-quality mail services,
and that incoming mailing list traffic may variously be denied,
lost, misclassified or otherwise not handled as expected.

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