Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817

Christopher Morrow morrowc.lists at
Fri Nov 6 15:58:35 UTC 2009

(top posting makes it hard to follow the conversation, but...)

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Jonathan Brashear
<Jonathan.Brashear at> wrote:
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there an RFC(2142 if memory serves) that states filtering certain email addresses(like [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]) isn't allowed?  I understand your point, but it seems sending it to /dev/null only opens another set of problems for you down the road.

There are some 'nice to have' ideas that
postmaster/abuse/root/webmaster ought to go somewhere and be seen. If
the business decides that any tom/dick/harry/mary can 'inform' them of
something such as this you can bet your aliases file that [email protected] will
get turned down somewhere.

I don't support that activity, but I also don't support this
incarnation of the anti-X regulation either.


> Network Engineer, JNCIS-M
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:morrowc.lists at]
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:47 AM
> To: Valdis.Kletnieks at
> Cc: nanog at
> Subject: Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:56 PM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks at> wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:40:09 CST, Bryan King said:
>>> Did I miss a thread on this? Has anyone looked at this yet?
>>> `(2) INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS- Any Internet service provider that, on
>>> or through a system or network controlled or operated by the Internet
>>> service provider, transmits, routes, provides connections for, or stores
>>> any material containing any misrepresentation of the kind prohibited in
>>> paragraph (1) shall be liable for any damages caused thereby, including
>>> damages suffered by SIPC, if the Internet service provider--
>> "routes" sounds the most dangerous part there.  Does this mean that if
>> we have a BGP peering session with somebody, we need to filter it?
>> Fortunately, there's the conditions:
>>> `(A) has actual knowledge that the material contains a misrepresentation
>>> of the kind prohibited in paragraph (1), or
>>> `(B) in the absence of actual knowledge, is aware of facts or
>>> circumstances from which it is apparent that the material contains a
>>> misrepresentation of the kind prohibited in paragraph (1), and
>>> upon obtaining such knowledge or awareness, fails to act expeditiously
>>> to remove, or disable access to, the material.
>> So the big players that just provide bandwidth to the smaller players are
>> mostly off the hook - AS701 has no reason to be aware that some website in
>> Tortuga is in violation (which raises an intresting point - what if the
>> site *is* offshore?)
> mail to: abuse at
> Subject: Fraud through your network
> Hi! someone in tortuga on ip address which I accessed through
> your network is fraudulently claiming to be the state-bank-of-elbonia.
> Just though you should know! Also, I think that HR3817 expects you'll
> now stop this from happening!
> -concerned-internet-user
> oops, now they have actual knowledge... I suppose this is a good
> reason though to:
> vi /etc/aliases ->
> abuse: /dev/null
> so, is this bill helping? or hurting? :(
>> And the immediate usptreams will fail to obtain knowledge or awareness of
>> their customer's actions, the same way they always have.
>> Move along, nothing to see.. ;)
> to my mind this is the exact same set of problems that the PA state
> anti-CP law brought forth...
> -chris

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