Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817

Jonathan Brashear Jonathan.Brashear at
Fri Nov 6 15:52:09 UTC 2009

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there an RFC(2142 if memory serves) that states filtering certain email addresses(like [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]) isn't allowed?  I understand your point, but it seems sending it to /dev/null only opens another set of problems for you down the road.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:morrowc.lists at] 
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:47 AM
To: Valdis.Kletnieks at
Cc: nanog at
Subject: Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:56 PM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks at> wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:40:09 CST, Bryan King said:
>> Did I miss a thread on this? Has anyone looked at this yet?
>> `(2) INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS- Any Internet service provider that, on
>> or through a system or network controlled or operated by the Internet
>> service provider, transmits, routes, provides connections for, or stores
>> any material containing any misrepresentation of the kind prohibited in
>> paragraph (1) shall be liable for any damages caused thereby, including
>> damages suffered by SIPC, if the Internet service provider--
> "routes" sounds the most dangerous part there.  Does this mean that if
> we have a BGP peering session with somebody, we need to filter it?
> Fortunately, there's the conditions:
>> `(A) has actual knowledge that the material contains a misrepresentation
>> of the kind prohibited in paragraph (1), or
>> `(B) in the absence of actual knowledge, is aware of facts or
>> circumstances from which it is apparent that the material contains a
>> misrepresentation of the kind prohibited in paragraph (1), and
>> upon obtaining such knowledge or awareness, fails to act expeditiously
>> to remove, or disable access to, the material.
> So the big players that just provide bandwidth to the smaller players are
> mostly off the hook - AS701 has no reason to be aware that some website in
> Tortuga is in violation (which raises an intresting point - what if the
> site *is* offshore?)

mail to: abuse at
Subject: Fraud through your network

Hi! someone in tortuga on ip address which I accessed through
your network is fraudulently claiming to be the state-bank-of-elbonia.
Just though you should know! Also, I think that HR3817 expects you'll
now stop this from happening!


oops, now they have actual knowledge... I suppose this is a good
reason though to:

vi /etc/aliases ->
abuse: /dev/null

so, is this bill helping? or hurting? :(

> And the immediate usptreams will fail to obtain knowledge or awareness of
> their customer's actions, the same way they always have.
> Move along, nothing to see.. ;)

to my mind this is the exact same set of problems that the PA state
anti-CP law brought forth...


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