Atrivo/Intercage: NO Upstream depeer

James Thomas jthomas at
Sun Sep 21 17:18:31 CDT 2008


	I really think Atrivo/Intercage has been doing great after reports
and community public action. I'm still puzzled as to the why they are still
targetting you? I have a few friends who have machines with you so and they
run legitimate companies with over 4 machines.

	Emil has done everything in his power to bring his network back to
normal operations. Looks great the past 2 weeks, I wish both of you the best
of luck its hard to determine who is a solid friend and who is not. Like
emil said... It only will make you stronger.


-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Mitchell [mailto:russm2k8 at] 
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 5:54 PM
To: nanog at
Subject: Re: Atrivo/Intercage: NO Upstream depeer

Hello all,

It is truly enlightening, to say the least, that you want to talk about all
of the SBL Listings, all of the DNSBL Listings, and all of the abuse on our
network has never had action taken.


In Spamhaus' article, they did a history of more then ?350? SBL Listings for
our company. Today, we have 6 ACTIVE Listings in the SBL. If we haven't
acted on abuse claims, why do those numbers not match up?

So, sometime over the weekend, Spamhaus listed our ONLY Upstream's /22 IP
Block.. There's NO Evidence of any abuse from PIE for the listing. How can
they be labeled as a SPAM or Abuse Supporter after routing us for such a
short time? That's ethical, legitimate, and reasonable to you?

We have ALL of our IP Space listed with Spamhaus because we have a Reseller
named Esthost. While their customer track record may not be a straight
arrow, they've ALWAYS taken action on abuse we've received for machines
leased to them (Just like every other customer we have!).

We enacted a zero tolerance policy in light of the community delivering
false information and giving false reports to news media. What did that do?
It gave us the opportunity to cancel service on EVERY Machine that an abuse
was reported on. 
What happened shortly after? No more reports, no more abuse.

Esthost's Registrar entity, EstDomains launched a great campaign to work
with the public and take in reports against Malware Customers, as that is
what the news media was reporting was the issue. Over 20,000 Domains get
suspended by EstDomains in a period of about a week. Your going to come back
and say, "Well Directi did it in about 2 days!". Yeah? Directi had it placed
right on their desk! They didn't have to launch any campaign or go out and
ask the COMMUNITY for it. The people behind those false reports on our
company gave them a set of Data to allow them to act that fast.

So, we see Esthost turning a corner and going out to the community with an
outreach program. Community is giving support for it. 
We enact a zero tolerance policy for our entire network, this isn't made
public aside to a GOOD and TRUTHFUL Editor from TheRegister, Dan Goodin.
We gave ourselves 1 month to see what is going to happen between the
community, and Esthost. In the final stretch of that 1 month, we get
blind-sided by Spamhaus.

So now, an apparently level-headed James Thomas brings the happenings from
last night into the light, and here we are.
All of the claims about us being the RBN, Emil being some Russian named
"Igor", and "Atrivo" being the epicenter with such partners like InterCage.
Did you forget? Emil has a split-personality, that's how they got their
claim of InterCage being partnered with Atrivo. As though they're 2 seperate
entities! Good Research Matt, Jart, Garth, and all the others who've written
about us recently!

Thank you all for your time and responses. Good or bad, we're reading them.
Have a great day.

Russell Mitchell
InterCage, Inc. - An un-orgranized eCrime ring based out of San Francisco,
CA. We would only be so lucky!


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