Atrivo/Intercage: NO Upstream depeer

Sun Sep 21 22:22:35 UTC 2008

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008, Russell Mitchell wrote:
> Hello all,
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> Andrew:
> It is truly enlightening, to say the least, that you want to talk about all of the SBL Listings, all of the DNSBL Listings, and all of the abuse on our network has never had action taken.

"Don't kick someone when they are down". Okay.

I have but one question, why are you speaking to us all now, instead of 
last week or last month?

 	Gadi.

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> In Spamhaus' article, they did a history of more then ?350? SBL Listings for our company. Today, we have 6 ACTIVE Listings in the SBL. If we haven't acted on abuse claims, why do those numbers not match up?
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> So, sometime over the weekend, Spamhaus listed our ONLY Upstream's /22 IP Block.. There's NO Evidence of any abuse from PIE for the listing. How can they be labeled as a SPAM or Abuse Supporter after routing us for such a short time? That's ethical, legitimate, and reasonable to you?
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> We have ALL of our IP Space listed with Spamhaus because we have a Reseller named Esthost. While their customer track record may not be a straight arrow, they've ALWAYS taken action on abuse we've received for machines leased to them (Just like every other customer we have!).
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> We enacted a zero tolerance policy in light of the community delivering false information and giving false reports to news media. What did that do? It gave us the opportunity to cancel service on EVERY Machine that an abuse was reported on.
> What happened shortly after? No more reports, no more abuse.
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> Esthost's Registrar entity, EstDomains launched a great campaign to work with the public and take in reports against Malware Customers, as that is what the news media was reporting was the issue. Over 20,000 Domains get suspended by EstDomains in a period of about a week. Your going to come back and say, "Well Directi did it in about 2 days!". Yeah? Directi had it placed right on their desk! They didn't have to launch any campaign or go out and ask the COMMUNITY for it. The people behind those false reports on our company gave them a set of Data to allow them to act that fast.
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> So, we see Esthost turning a corner and going out to the community with an outreach program. Community is giving support for it.
> We enact a zero tolerance policy for our entire network, this isn't made public aside to a GOOD and TRUTHFUL Editor from TheRegister, Dan Goodin.
> We gave ourselves 1 month to see what is going to happen between the community, and Esthost. In the final stretch of that 1 month, we get blind-sided by Spamhaus.
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> So now, an apparently level-headed James Thomas brings the happenings from last night into the light, and here we are.
> All of the claims about us being the RBN, Emil being some Russian named "Igor", and "Atrivo" being the epicenter with such partners like InterCage. Did you forget? Emil has a split-personality, that's how they got their claim of InterCage being partnered with Atrivo. As though they're 2 seperate entities! Good Research Matt, Jart, Garth, and all the others who've written about us recently!
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> Thank you all for your time and responses. Good or bad, we're reading them. Have a great day.
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> Russell Mitchell
> InterCage, Inc. - An un-orgranized eCrime ring based out of San Francisco, CA. We would only be so lucky!
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