NXDOMAIN data needed for survey

Fri Mar 28 17:04:25 UTC 2008

What's more funny is that googling "Ray Demain" only brings up lots of
posts from you looking for NXDOMAIN data.

What's your real name? Who do YOU work for? Who funds that company?

Before you go accusing others of subterfuge and conspiracy, be up front
about who you are, what you're about, and what you plan on doing with
the data.

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	From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu] On
Behalf Of Ray Demain
	Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:13 AM
	To: nanog at merit.edu
	Subject: Re: NXDOMAIN data needed for survey

	Bill,

	Isn't it funny though that OpenDNS is funded by the same group
who funded Paxfire?

	www.minorventures.com

	OpenDNS can be an angel on one shoulder while Paxfire is on the
other, right?

	Ray

	On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 9:09 PM, bill fumerola <billf at mu.org>
wrote:

		[ disclaimer: i work for opendns. ]

		On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 05:53:15PM -0400, Martin
Hannigan wrote:
		> >  I think it's best that we let David Ulevitch and
the crew @ OpenDNS make
		> >  the money that is to be made off this. He's doing
good while doing well.
		>
		> Why shouldn't anyone be able to "make the money"? The
problem with
		> that post wasn't that he was advocating law breaking,
it was that it's
		> a marketing missive and inconsistent with community
norms, IMHO. That
		> doesn't mean that it's illegal, and it certainly
doesn't mean it's ok
		> for one "good guy" to be allowed to profit and one
unknown not to.
		> Setting classes of who can profit from NXDOMAIN data
creates
		> unfairness in the system and it should be all or none.

		now that our name has been brought into this, i think
it's only fair to
		say: the NXDOMAIN data we know about is when a user's
resolver asks our
		recursive servers for a record and NXDOMAIN is the end
result of what
		our resolvers discover.

		at that point, we optionally point you at a lander page
w/ search results
		and ads and all that jazz based on the words in the
record you [mis-]typed.
		note the optionally. if you want, we'll just return
NXDOMAIN. you can
		configure this. you can configure it per-ip, per-prefix,
etc.

		now, on to what we do or could do with that data:

		we do not sell and have never sold NXDOMAIN data. nor do
we register
		domains based on NXDOMAIN information. the non-OpenDNS
company who sees
		the original request that produced the NXDOMAIN that
failed (which may
		or may not even be a valid hostname) is our advertising
partner.

		they get that data after we've transformed the original
request into
		their API to send to them as keywords so they may return
appropriate and
		relevant ads.

		so, to recap:
		nope, we don't sell NXDOMAIN data. we don't sell any
other data either.
		yes, some revenue comes from typos/mistakes. you knew
that already.
		yes, you can even change that behavior and just get
NXDOMAIN.
		 that means your typos gain us nothing. you get our
service for free.
		yes, you opt-in to our service in the first place.
		yes, we have a privacy policy that says this better than
i can.

		> What you really want to look at is privacy policy. Not
all of the good
		> guys are actually good guys in that respect.

		http://www.opendns.com/privacy/

		it looks pretty good to me. i read it before i agreed to
employment.

		-- billf >at< opendns.com // opendns network engineering

		p.s. since i rarely if ever post, i have to make the
shameless, shameless
		    plug: <peering at opendns.com>. we're in peeringdb too.

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