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color=#0000ff size=2>What's more funny is that googling "Ray Demain" only brings
up lots of posts from you looking for NXDOMAIN data.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=616510217-28032008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>What's your real name? Who do YOU work for? Who funds that
company?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=616510217-28032008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Before you go accusing others of subterfuge and conspiracy,
be up front about who you are, what you're about, and what you plan on doing
with the data.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> owner-nanog@merit.edu
[mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ray Demain<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Friday, March 28, 2008 9:13 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
nanog@merit.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: NXDOMAIN data needed for
survey<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Bill,<BR><BR>Isn't it funny though that OpenDNS is funded by the
same group who funded Paxfire?<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.minorventures.com">www.minorventures.com</A><BR><BR>OpenDNS
can be an angel on one shoulder while Paxfire is on the other,
right?<BR><BR>Ray<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 9:09 PM, bill fumerola <<A
href="mailto:billf@mu.org">billf@mu.org</A>> wrote:<BR>
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disclaimer: i work for opendns. ]<BR>
<DIV class=Ih2E3d><BR>On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 05:53:15PM -0400, Martin
Hannigan wrote:<BR>> > I think it's best that we let David
Ulevitch and the crew @ OpenDNS make<BR>> > the money that is to
be made off this. He's doing good while doing well.<BR>><BR>> Why
shouldn't anyone be able to "make the money"? The problem with<BR>> that
post wasn't that he was advocating law breaking, it was that it's<BR>> a
marketing missive and inconsistent with community norms, IMHO. That<BR>>
doesn't mean that it's illegal, and it certainly doesn't mean it's
ok<BR>> for one "good guy" to be allowed to profit and one unknown not
to.<BR>> Setting classes of who can profit from NXDOMAIN data
creates<BR>> unfairness in the system and it should be all or
none.<BR><BR></DIV>now that our name has been brought into this, i think
it's only fair to<BR>say: the NXDOMAIN data we know about is when a user's
resolver asks our<BR>recursive servers for a record and NXDOMAIN is the end
result of what<BR>our resolvers discover.<BR><BR>at that point, we
optionally point you at a lander page w/ search results<BR>and ads and all
that jazz based on the words in the record you [mis-]typed.<BR>note the
optionally. if you want, we'll just return NXDOMAIN. you can<BR>configure
this. you can configure it per-ip, per-prefix, etc.<BR><BR>now, on to what
we do or could do with that data:<BR><BR>we do not sell and have never sold
NXDOMAIN data. nor do we register<BR>domains based on NXDOMAIN information.
the non-OpenDNS company who sees<BR>the original request that produced the
NXDOMAIN that failed (which may<BR>or may not even be a valid hostname) is
our advertising partner.<BR><BR>they get that data after we've transformed
the original request into<BR>their API to send to them as keywords so they
may return appropriate and<BR>relevant ads.<BR><BR>so, to recap:<BR>nope, we
don't sell NXDOMAIN data. we don't sell any other data either.<BR>yes, some
revenue comes from typos/mistakes. you knew that already.<BR>yes, you can
even change that behavior and just get NXDOMAIN.<BR> that means your
typos gain us nothing. you get our service for free.<BR>yes, you opt-in to
our service in the first place.<BR>yes, we have a privacy policy that says
this better than i can.<BR>
<DIV class=Ih2E3d><BR>> What you really want to look at is privacy
policy. Not all of the good<BR>> guys are actually good guys in that
respect.<BR><BR></DIV><A href="http://www.opendns.com/privacy/"
target=_blank>http://www.opendns.com/privacy/</A><BR><BR>it looks pretty
good to me. i read it before i agreed to employment.<BR><BR>-- billf
>at< <A href="http://opendns.com" target=_blank>opendns.com</A> //
opendns network engineering<BR><BR>p.s. since i rarely if ever post, i have
to make the shameless, shameless<BR> plug: <<A
href="mailto:peering@opendns.com">peering@opendns.com</A>>. we're in
peeringdb too.<BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>