ISP compliance < LEAs - tech and logistics [was: snfc21 sniffer docs]

Martin Hannigan hannigan at
Wed May 24 05:59:31 UTC 2006

At 09:48 PM 5/23/2006, Sean Donelan wrote:

>On Tue, 23 May 2006, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
> > > Indeed. To be honest, I am more interested in NANOG-related operational
> > > issues involved, which I am not sure many here will be able to discuss in
> > > case they had experience on the subject. So let us put privacy and legal
> > > issues aside for the purpose of this discussion.
> > >
> > > How does a service provider handle the requirement to meet a law
> > > enforcement agency with their wiretapping needs? The logistics and
> > > technology can be exerting, annoying and business-wise, even prohibiting.
> >
> > In the US, see 18 USC 2518(4):
> >
> >       Any provider of wire or electronic communication service,
> >       landlord, custodian or other person furnishing such facilities or
> >       technical assistance shall be compensated therefor by the
> >       applicant for reasonable expenses incurred in providing such
> >       facilities or assistance.
>The NANOG meeting archives are full of presentations as the result
>of very sophisticated network monitoring.  Like most technology,
>it can be used for good and evil.  You can't tell the motivation
>just from the technology.

Sean, please drop this subject. You have no experience here and it's
annoying that you keep making authoritative claims like you have some
operational experience in this area. If you do, please do elaborate
and correct me. From what I understand from the folks at SBC, you
did not run harassing call, annoyance call, and LAES services. I would
appreciate a correction.


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