OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police....

Wed Sep 7 22:08:23 UTC 2005

I should add that my original statement pertains to (obviously) the Chinese 
*government* alone! I am concerned about the repression that the Chinese 
people experience, and the basic freedoms that they lack.

As far as 'China hate' is concerned- this definately doesn't apply to me- 
many of my friends are from mainland China, Taiwan, and Hong Kong. I lived 
for many years in the area, and speak pretty passable Mandarin myself (was 
pretty fluent, but it has deteriorated a bit, I'm afraid!). So, love the 
Chinese people, their culture, and history - resent the Chinese government's 
repression (though I personally believe the Hu Jin Tao *may* turn out to be 
a great improvement on leaders such as Jiang Zemin, Deng Xiaoping, and 
obviously Mao Zedong- I hear that Hu Jin Tao even met Hu Yaobang's widow, 
and plans a commemoration in the Great Hall of the People!!).

>From: Joseph S D Yao <jsdy at center.osis.gov>
>To: Gadi Evron <ge at linuxbox.org>
>CC: nanog at merit.edu
>Subject: Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt 
>secret police....
>Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:38:17 -0400
>
>
>On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 12:07:41AM +0200, Gadi Evron wrote:
> > >Personally, I see doing business in China about as logical as, say, 
>giving
> > >430 6th graders laptops with Internet access, and expecting them to pay
> > >attention in the classroom...  Oh, and cutting the sports programs to
> > >afford those laptops.  Man, if someone had given me a laptop in 6th 
>grade,
> > >I would have sold it!
> >
> > Basic Trade:
> > Some countries have an abundance of one thing while they lack another.
>>
> > So, what they have too much of is cheap, and too little of, is costly.
> >
> > It goes crazy from that point.
> >
> > China has a lot of cheap stuff and a lot of cheap labor, and importing
> > from China and/or manufacturing in China is good business.
> >
> > To work in China, one of the biggest markets in the world, you follow
> > China's rules. If you don't like the rules you don't have to.
> >
> > But what you guys spew out is China-hate. Is that the kind of propaganda
> > you get fed in schools?
> >
> > I am happy we've been able to discuss this like adults, here on NANOG.
> > After all, this is about human networking.
>
>
>I do not hate myself or any other Chinese people.
>
>I do hate the lack of respect for human rights shown by the mainland
>Chinese government, and the slave labor prisons otherwise known as
>"cheap labor".  And the lack of self-respect that allows others to turn
>a blind eye to this for their own profit.
>
>
>--
>Joe Yao
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