Unplugging spamming PCs

Thu Jun 24 19:17:57 UTC 2004

--On Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:08 PM -0700 Larry Pingree 
<lpingree at juniper.net> wrote:

> Hi John,
> 	I'm not taking it to extremes. I'm talking about the middle of
> the road, and certainly spam is the on the top of the scales on
> everyone's statistics. I'm certainly not condoning or suggesting that
> the government control everything, and I'm not for absolutely no
> government involvement either. A balanced approach is most appropriate
> just as with anything.... there also can be regional registries similar
> to how ARIN is setup that allow inter-continental and inter-country
> registration. Unless someone can come up with a better idea, I see no
> other choice. FYI, we do already license IP's, through ARIN, APNIC, etc
> so that's already been done :)

No.  As much as I hate spam... it's not on the top of the list of things to
fix.

If the ARIN, APNIC, RIPE, LANIC, etc registries are so upto date and 
accurate, why would you need to license anything at layer 4 or above? 
You've already got the contact details for people responsible for routing 
packets to those devices.

>
> LP
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Larry
>
> Larry Pingree
>
> "Visionary people, are visionary, partly because of the great many
> things they never get to see." - Larry Pingree
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Payne [mailto:john at sackheads.org]
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:40 AM
> To: Larry Pingree
> Cc: nanog at nanog.org
> Subject: RE: Unplugging spamming PCs
>
>
>
> --On Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:17 AM -0700 Larry Pingree
> <lpingree at juniper.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> 	If only those who are approved email senders are allowed to be
>> accepted, this allows police, FBI, or DHS to go after only those who
> are
>> registered and abusing it. It's for the same purpose that we
> administer
>> car registrations, so that at the end of the day, someone is
> responsible
>> for the car. In this case, someone can be responsible for the domain
> and
>> mail server. In its current state, we are left way in the open. I
> don't
>> disagree that government control is un-desirable, but remember, at
> least
>> in my mind, even though it may be undesirable, it may be a necessary
>> action. Anyone know why we have to get a drivers license? How about a
>> passport?  What about a SSN?  All of these things are ways in which we
>> can have accountability. Without accountability we will remain in
>> anarchy. All that government does is bridge a gap when corporations,
>> which only do things for profit, will not collaborate on an
> appropriate
>> solution to a problem, even though one exists.
>
> But why stop at email servers?  spam is only one of the unsociable and
> illegal acts happening on the Internet.  Why not license ownership of
> every
> IP capable device?   That'll stop all forms of DoS (DDoS and otherwise
> too).
>
> Just to make sure, let's require that all vendors both inspect the
> license
> from their customers *and* notify the government on every purchase or
> upgrade.
>
> Hmm.  Which government though?  Better to be safe... you can't be sure
> which country the device is being installed in, or which country the
> packets flowing through the device will also visit.  So let's require
> licenses from every country... and vendors to notify every government on
>
> every purchase or upgrade.
>
>
> Yep, that'll do the trick.
>