IP renumbering timeframe
Ralph Doncaster
ralph at istop.com
Mon May 6 23:09:32 UTC 2002
As I already pointed out, I never passed a packet to Cogent. They were
ready to provide service before I was ready to start using it. I paid
setup, 1st month service, and then some.
And your computer analogy is totally ridiculous. The only "service" I
ever actually used was a /22 of IP space. A /19 from ARIN is $2500 for a
year, so if Cogent wanted a couple hundred for my continued use of the /22
for 90 days I would have happily paid it.
Ralph Doncaster
principal, IStop.com
div. of Doncaster Consulting Inc.
On Mon, 6 May 2002, Scott Granados wrote:
> Well don't forget its a two way street. If a customer isn't paying
> their bill then its the provider getting screwed. There is no insentive
> or in fact good reason to be helpful to this person. I won't be helpful
> to someone who decides to switch services and not pay me, ever! On the
> other hand if they are reasonable and if there is a friendly split both
> sides are more likely bo be reasonable. If someone buys a product say a
> computer from you, and doesn't pay you will you still service them?
> Better still if I'm the telephone company and you stiff me for x# of
> dollars and switch to another carrier do you really expect me to release
> the same telephone number for you so that you can switch uneffected.
> Its totally unreasonable to assume when someone isn't paid for their
> services that they will allow you to continue using their resources.
> And we're only talking a /20 here not to large a task.
>
> On Mon, 6 May
> 2002, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
>
> >
> > But it would seem that given the attitude many have expressed here of "if
> > they're not your customer any more, screw 'em.", then relying on the honor
> > system is unwise.
> >
> > Ralph Doncaster
> > principal, IStop.com
> > div. of Doncaster Consulting Inc.
> >
> > On Mon, 6 May 2002, Daniel Golding wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Indeed, you have hit upon one of the significant weaknesses of the ARIN IP
> > > registry system - that it relies largely upon the integrity of it's members,
> > > in order to properly issue and conserve address space. ARIN is largely based
> > > upon the honor system, with one "check" on the potentially dishonest being a
> > > general unwilling to be branded an IP address cheat or poor internet
> > > citizen.
> > >
> > > Of course, should one choose to be somewhat less upstanding of an internet
> > > citizen, posting one's intentions to do so on NANOG, frequented as it is by
> > > various ARIN people, might not be such a good idea.
> > >
> > > - Daniel Golding
> > >
> > > > Ralph Doncaster angrily ruminated....
> > > >
> > > > What it tells me is I should have wasted enough space to consume 8 /24s
> > > > long ago, so I could get a /20 directly from ARIN. I assign IPs to
> > > > customers very conservatively. Multiple DSL customers with static IPs are
> > > > put on a shared subnet instead of one subnet per customer. I easily could
> > > > have used 8 /24's a year ago and still conformed to ARIN rules. At the
> > > > time I was only using 3 /24's. We recently reached 8 /24s and applied to
> > > > ARIN a few weeks ago for a /20, but it sounds like the best thing to do is
> > > > to use IPs in the most inefficient way possible (while still conforming to
> > > > ARIN policy) in order to quickly qualify for PI space.
> > > >
> > > > -Ralph
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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