RINA - scott whaps at the nanog hornets nest :-)

Mark Smith nanog at 85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org
Sat Nov 6 09:38:20 CDT 2010


On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 21:40:30 -0400
Marshall Eubanks <tme at americafree.tv> wrote:

> 
> On Nov 5, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:32:30 -0700
> > "Scott Weeks" <surfer at mauigateway.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> It's really quiet in here.  So, for some Friday fun let me whap at the hornets nest and see what happens...  >;-)
> >> 
> >> 
> >> http://www.ionary.com/PSOC-MovingBeyondTCP.pdf
> >> 
> > 
> > Who ever wrote that doesn't know what they're talking about. LISP is
> > not the IETF's proposed solution (the IETF don't have one, the IRTF do),
> 
> Um, I would not agree. The IRTF RRG considered and is documenting a lot of things, but did not
> come to any consensus as to which one should be a "proposed solution."
> 

I probably got a bit keen, I've been reading through the IRTF RRG
"Recommendation for a Routing Architecture" draft which, IIRC, makes a
recommendation to pursue Identifier/Locator Network Protocol rather
than LISP.

Regards,
Mark.


> Regards
> Marshall
> 
> 
> > and streaming media was seen to be one of the early applications of the
> > Internet - these types of applications is why TCP was split out of
> > IP, why UDP was invented, and why UDP has has a significantly
> > different protocol number to TCP.
> > 
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------
> >> "NAT is your friend"
> >> 
> >> "IP doesn’t handle addressing or multi-homing well at all"
> >> 
> >> "The IETF’s proposed solution to the multihoming problem is 
> >> called LISP, for Locator/Identifier Separation Protocol. This
> >> is already running into scaling problems, and even when it works,
> >> it has a failover time on the order of thirty seconds."
> >> 
> >> "TCP and IP were split the wrong way"
> >> 
> >> "IP lacks an addressing architecture"
> >> 
> >> "Packet switching was designed to complement, not replace, the telephone 
> >> network. IP was not optimized to support streaming media, such as voice, 
> >> audio broadcasting, and video; it was designed to not be the telephone 
> >> network."
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------
> >> 
> >> 
> >> And so, "...the first principle of our proposed new network architecture: Layers are recursive."
> >> 
> >> I can hear the angry hornets buzzing already.  :-)
> >> 
> >> scott
> > 
> > 
> 




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