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--></style></head><body><div>The pessimistic (and likely most realistic) take is that enabling potential customers to do research like that is seen as a missed opportunity for a sales contact.</div>
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<div>From "Mike Hammett" <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net">nanog@ics-il.net</a>></div>
<div>To "NANOG" <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org">nanog@nanog.org</a>></div>
<div>Date 10/26/2023 12:17:22</div>
<div>Subject Pulling of Network Maps</div></div><div><br /></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Has anyone else noticed a trend of some network operators that previously offered street-level detailed maps, not only upon request, but also posted publicly have started to only provide them upon quotes?<div><br /></div><div>Not even the popular online mapping services have current-enough-to-be-useful maps.</div><div><br /></div><div>The claim is that it's proprietary. A) It wasn't before and B) No it isn't. Everything you've ever done is a FOIA request or 811 design ticket away.</div><div><br /></div><div>I'm not sure how this helps the companies. It certainly makes it harder for me trying to piece networks together when they won't tell me where they are until I give them A and Z locations. If it's too hard for me to figure out where you are, you just plain won't get the sale.<br /><br /><div><span name="x"></span><br /><br />-----<br />Mike Hammett<br />Intelligent Computing Solutions<br /><a href="http://www.ics-il.com">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br /><br />Midwest-IX<br /><a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><span name="x"></span><br /></div></div></div></blockquote></div>
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